Freedom of choice is absolute only if you have it. If you don't then your statement would be correct.

If you really cared about the people you would be in favor of ending air racing. Or you have absolutely no idea how dangerous it is.

No, it isn't absolute. Absolute freedom of choice is anarchy. If that's what you want you should move to Somalia.

First of all i'm german, why should i give anykind of advise to the American people what the should do? I think they can decide pretty good for them self.
If they want to go there, its their right to go there, as Hunden said it's Freedom of choice. And he's dam right about it.

Myself i wouldn't go there, because i am not interested in this kind of racing sport. That also is a form of Freedom of choice.

What you want is taking grown people and treat them like childs, i am strictly against such methods. People should decide by them selves if they wanna go to an event of any kind of entertainment, it's not the Job of the Government to decide this for the people!

Germans have a proud history of personal freedom. :rolleyes:

Within the law and common sense.........................................didn 't realize I had to explain.

Common sense has nothing to do with air racing.

You can't insult me, that needs much more than you are!
and yes germany has gained a proud history of personal freedom since 1945, brought to us by THE Nation of freedom, the USA.

great, nobody will argue the USA were instrumental in the outcome of the war.....it's just a shame the Germans didn't pay more attention the first time they handed your asses to you in WWI.

Yes, THE nation of FREEDOM (as long as you're not dark skinned, female, or gay).

If drunks died at the same rate as Reno air racers the highways would be covered with dead drunks and their victims.

David stop trolling around in this thread will you?

I am intrigued, do you have a link to some stats on this claim, I would like to give the benefit of doubt on what sound like a wildly exaggerated claim.

Google the number of dead at Reno the last few years. I don't know the totals, but it's pretty bad.

My first google hit came up with 44 deaths in an 18 year history of Reno air racing.....Christ that's like a busload, can you imagine a busload of people dying every 18years.......carnage, I'm convinced, from now on it's road travel all the way for me.

Oops....I got the figures wrong, it was 18deaths in 44 years

What? We have a black president, and I'm sure our female and gay population would like it better in lets say the middle east...... where their just overflowing with equal rights. Name some countries with more dark skin, female and or gays in civil service or elected office. You are talking out of your ass and this is coming from a dark skin American.( Puetro Rican )

Hunden don't feed the troll, David Hayward isn't worth it.

44 in 18 years at Reno is approximately the equivalent of about 150 dying every year at air shows in the US. 150. Every year. How long do you think air shows would last with that sort of casualty rate?

We didn't have a black president when we imposed FREEDOM on Germany.

No read again, I got it wrong, it's 18 in 44 years, that's like 18 every 44 years by my calculations, 150 a year is something you just made up.

That is about 50 air show deaths every year in the US.

The Blue Angels and Thunderbirds fly about 70 shows total every year. If we only count those shows a ratio of 18 deaths for every 44 years is about about 30 air show deaths every year in the US. Even if air shows were not banned we would run out of pilots.

edit it's worse (50ish) if we count all the air shows

Well no...it's actually .4 deaths year at Reno alone, which is considered to be of the highest fatality rate, in order to have 50 deaths a year there would have to be 125 events with an equivalent average fatality rate a year, but the reality is that air shows as a whole have minuscule fatality rates and that is on a global scale, theres probably less than 50 deaths a year at air shows around the whole world.

That is my point. There are about 140 big air shows each year in the US. If the fatality rate were the same as Reno there would be 30 air show deaths every year. Compared the air racing the fatality rate for air shows is minuscule. Hell, the fatality rate in the Colosseum was probably favorable to air racing.

Well no, you were trying to make some weird claim that 150 people were being killed at air shows every year, in the US alone, the fact is airshow deaths will not gain in rate at all.

No, I wasn't. 150 would be the number to die if the rate was 44 in 18 years that you quoted for Reno. 18 in 44 years equates to 30 dead each year at air shows. 30 dead each year is still enough to be the end of air shows.

No 18 in 44 years is .4 deaths a year, remember I mentioned I got the figures switched...please pay attention, even if it was 44 in 18 years that's still only 2.4 deaths a year, either way the fact is there aren't 30 deaths a year, even if in one single year there are a total of 30 deaths the subsequent average will be less, you are in a sad strange fantasy land my friend.

I don't know why you are talking about the dangers and numbers of deaths when you made it pretty clear earlier in the thread that you only care about the WWII aircraft and not about the people.

Yes, it's .4 deaths per year over 70 shows. 70*.4 is 28. I rounded up to 30.

So, if the death rate for air shows was the same as for Reno we would see 30 dead every year at air shows in the US. It's simple math.

I'm just pointing out that if air shows had the same death rate as Reno we would quickly run out of air show pilots.

Actually you just like covering our computer screens with your drivel about how smart you are. You pointed out no such thing, you've only contradicted yourself for three pages.

The stats don't lie. The Reno death rate (per Bongo) translates to 30 air show deaths each year. If you have stats which contradict that feel free to post them.