Love the new map :)

You got what u paid for. Did u read the readme/licens text? Guess not.

I imagine there would have been significantly more haze in 1940 due to all the coal burning trains, factories, ships and home heating. We're talking massive amounts of particulate matter in the air that doesn't exist in the 21st century. I am very happy to have this represented in CloD, even if it is somewhat generic and static in its application.

[QUOTE=Steuben;330071]Red Orchestra 2 is out????? Where???


the beta is open now and for the normal edition :-P

hahahahaha.

Thank you for this precise and timely update! :-)

Nice weekend!

I'm mondo excited... How do you guys play with those jagged edges though? That morphological filter did wonders for my game.

Buried on the 11th page already, but I just want to say that THIS is the sort of communication that makes everybody happy.

Thank you for the update.

THX !
-and a good weekend to You all !

Speak for yourself here please.
I instead of We

:D

Thanks for letting us know, at least we know whats happening and not been left in the dark :)

+1

We have ALL paid for this sim u numpty.

Appreciate the update Luthier, thanks for letting us know, Personally I prefer the new colours i think it looks a whole lot better and I'm looking forward to the patch.

What with AA and AInizo? Still engine of CoD doesnt have this ?

Agree about the colours, much better.

May I just add that if you notice the feedback you are getting here, it is pretty positive, but that's what you get if you stay in tough ;)

Don't be a stranger mate and well done on the update.

Cheers, MP

Definitely agree with that view! Growing up in he 50's/60's we had pea-soupers in London on a regular basis... Our coal-bunker was built into the flat... And they were built about 1960... I believe us brits started the ball rolling on global warming about 1750 ;-)
I do have a question regarding the chain home towers, does anyone know of any instance where the towers were actually toppled?
I thought they were nearly impervious to that because of the open design?
Not saying it shouldn't be modeled... Just wondering...
Looking forward to Monday, that's for sure!
Cheers!:-D

I like the new colors, nice work team! I really like the new haze, I have always though RoF did a great job with that and this looks on par with that.

That dusk shot looks awesome.

I really liked the shadows of old, but really do we know the situation these screenshots were taken in? No, be patient people. Maybe they are turned on low on his PC, maybe these new shadows make the game runs smoother (which I'm all for), maybe there's a cloud right above the plane who knows?

Let's wait for this bad boy to be released.

Really looking forward to flying this thanks!

Gasp! Wow, it getting closer to hug-a-Tree_UK Day!

Luthier, you better pull this off, or we're all going to pay, big time!
It's the amazing Tree you got to worry about, not the grass!
:-D

i wonder if they spotted a guy named jack climbing up one of those 1500 foot blades of grass.

1500 foot tall grass for Bush flying, that's a feature.

The total :

1 : still no AA.
2 : "bananas" aircrafts.
3 : colors, still not the feeling of flying over England.
4 : waves still too big.

Amazing display of "half empty" mentality... Really, are you serious?

Thanks information. New environment colors looks very good.

Erm have guys installed something i dont know about?

Thanks for the update.
Really looking forward to the patch.

Cool luthier... it's been a while

Can't wait for the update and especially the SDK... I have had an itch to start programming something new and COD is giving me some inspiration.

As soon as the modding community starts developing for COD, it would be my dream that sombody finally develops the He-177... would fit perfectly in the channel map... been only waiting for 10 years or so... :grin:

Thanks anyway, good to see color fix is confirmed inbound :)

some of my English Squadron mates wrote on our site:
"It looks like England at last! "
coming from him, that is a compliment to the Devs.
Thanks chaps
appreciated

Its sad that you feel bad for 'all these members'.

Hi UberDemon. Good to see a post from you. This is Kanno from the old IL2 days. Hope to see a UQMG for Cliffs of Dover from you soon. The first one was great.

THANKS luthier for your Information.But, Bugs or Mistakes are the Things where We can learn about it. So, have a NICE weekend you and your Team. And enjoy the last Summerhours, and the SUN.;):)





Best Regards from Germany

Towarisch

And I want my own island that no one knows about with massive ammounts of solar power panels and gardens of HERBS that grow nonstop all year round.

When he announced he was going back to play his other game, a tear rolled down my cheek after falling out of my eyes. I then thought to my self.... " NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"

Yeah, that´s good too.

Change list are expected with patch's release not in dev update ;)

"Come back, Shane.........Shane, come baaaaaaackkkkk!!!!"

Thanks a ton, this is the kind of communication the community is starved for, keep up the good work! :D

Awesome news ! Hope they also fixed that gruesome flickering shadows....

Hello, everyone, well..almost everyone seems to like the new terrain colors, can someone tell me the difference between the old and beta new? Are the old colors just too "bright"? I kinda like the colors now as is, I'm just curious as to the difference. thanks

The new colors has been desaturated. Also the blue atmospheric haze has been increased a lot, even inside the cockpit*, so the contrast has been reduced also a lot.

*wich conceptually has no sense to me at all, but I can understand that they are filtering the whole picture trying to fix the few too much saturated landscapes we have now. I hope they (can/want) fix this in the future.

Haha - could this be released as an optional download? I'd really love to see and fly through this. :-P

Great updates by the way :cool:

Shadows doesn't flicker, devs has lowered its resolutions to increase performance and the resulting jaggies create the illusion they are flickering.
You can check from yourself by looking at object shadows from a static point of view.

I know right!

I whole heartedly agree with Ailantd. Anyone with worthwhile photography skill can tell you that the image is off.

Of course, it's better than before, but it could be a lot better. Just some boost in contrast and brightness and the landscape won't look like perpetual overcast when there are few clouds!

thats not entirely true sir. untill you open you the files and see what has happened to them. i have respect for you SH5 work. but discussing this needs a little more hands on experience here. the only reason i say this is because of how derailed this forum gets based upon one's belief. many know of your work and respect you but what you have said is not fact. yet.

check my thread http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=22815, its practically the only thread on the matter that hasnt been derailed by selifsh opposition of belief. Its also my contribution to understanding not only what we dont like but why. and the truth of the matter is not apparent by simply looking at it in a screenshot. The composition is at fault yet its not actually a fault, its a design aethetic issue with many conceptual barriers.

I see what you mean, low distance visibility seems too "obfuscated", it's like there's haze even in the cockpit!
I appreciate the work of the team, distant blue haze are realistic of sunny days where sunlight force oxygen molecules to combine into ozone even at low altitude.
Color tuning are not an easy task, especially for a flight sim with such an amazing level of detail that accentuate even the smallest discrepancy from reality.
We must see how the color reacts to different weather and lighting conditions.

Those map tools will come in handy when trying to navigate long distances.

Hi.

My experience in all this stuff is not only that few SH5 mods or my beliefs. I have artistic formation, I´m ilustrator and painter. I know very well how the light works, from a theoretical point of view and from artistic point of view. I´m also a 3D professional and artistic director with my own games company and I had been working with 3d engines for a lot of years now, even coding some myself. So I speak from many many years of experience in all this matters.

Of course there is a point where all is subjective, when we are talking about artistic images or filters. But as far as I know here with COD we are trying to get the more realistic picture of reality itself, not as a camera gets it (or the tracers would be waving all the time) but as the human eye get it. Oleg did this pretty well but could not finish his work, I guess. I know that even when you are trying to portrait the nature realistically there is a point where some up or down is arguable but the light they have now is not at that point, again. Nature does not look that way when you look from your window in a sunny day, not even from air at low level like that screenshots (it does at very high altitudes). And of course the cockpit can´t look that way under the sun, the same way a car under the sun do not look like that from inside (or you never would need sun glasses).

When some people here say that we can´t know how the sim with the patch will look with that few screenshots I don´t know what they are trying to say. Screenshots are not photography, wich are always altered, but exact representation from what are in the screen. Also you can say that maybe there is a cloud over the plane... I could believe that if that wash colors were in only one shot... but it is in all of them and in the video from last update. So yes, I can be wrong... but I think, based on all this stuff, I´m not.

Of course there are people that like much more this look, there is also people that like more the green haze from WOP, but that do not make it realistic.

All this critics from me are from a constructive point of view. I think, based on all my artistic experience, that the new colors are that bad as the old ones but in the other extreme. Some in the middle would be fine. I love this sim and own Il2 from the very first day. I´m from the people that are not so much worried about the future of this sim. I believe that Luthier and cia are working hard and I´m sure they will finish this sim the same way they did with first Il2. I´m only a bit concerned because they now do no have Oleg leading the artistic front, and Oleg knew very well what he was doing in this matters... I don´t know in others.

No more form now until I have that patch in my hands. But if I´m not convinced with the new colors ( as I think it will happen ) I will open a post to discuss that the same way other people opened it to ask for green hollywood filters. It´s my right if I do it for the best.

Regards.

Thx for the info. Looking at the screenshots i presume Anti aliasing is still not working?

If not please tell me so it saves me from reinstalling :)

The colors are a real improvement, thanks. However I think the lack of Britain´s atmosphere is also due to the tree´s shape/ disposal. If I do remember the developers said it had 5 o 6 types of trees. Perhaps shoud double it adding conifers, popplars, etc. Sharpening things would be nice too, imho.

Thank you Luthier for the update information.

No developer can please everyone..that is for sure. Personally, I like the colors as they are now, I find them vibrant and appealing, some don't, personal preference. I like patches that improve performance issues, make the game more playable,etc, however, on these sort of asthetic issues, I like the SH5 approach, mods that one can implement to one's own liking, the enviromental enhancements and such. Im less incline to like patches that change these environments as a must, for example, there are several interior boot mods for SH5, steelviking, this, and that, each one offers something different, some more dark, claustrophobic, some go another route, those type of enhancements which really are a personal preference issue I think should not be "required" to play the game, if you dont want to use them, you should not have to have steam autoupdate them. I just hope the new colors dont as previously mentioned leave one feeling as if one is in a perpetual "fog", and hazy...one person commented "it still doesnt feel like your flying over england" and honestly, it never will unless you get out your plane and fly up there. For example, I really like these two shots taken on a sunny day flying in IL...I like the vibrant colors, the shadows, it just appeals to me. Is it authentic? Probably not, but then, I cant say for sure, I've never been in an ME at this height flying over the channel on a sunny day, however,, I like the look, and I hope the new colors dont turn it all into a green haze...that to me would be unappealing. I hope,dont now if this is being worked on, that other modders will develop different enviromental add ons that we can pick and choose from, to each one's own personal taste. Just my thoughts.

Testing to see if my new signature works..

The party was canceled because someone didn't cut the grass.

Thanks for the information and those screen shots look great!

I understand your point. Also a photographer. I can see the difference in the cockpit though - the bottom one is sunlight. I needed to look at the right hand side of the canopy shadow on the dash and how bright that area is compared to the above picture. The outside is a different issue though. While I'm holding all judgement until the patch is out, I will comment that there does not appear to be enough range of brightness/contrast in the sunny day picture outside. I would say that the bluish, ground haze would become as seen with a little more altitude unless under a cold, bright fall/spring day when no haze should appear and the colour pallet moves to the extreme in contrasts.

It will be interesting to see how this rolls out.

Cheers

ps. noticed the canopy closed. Wonder how much the glass is still affecting the image saturation. It would be beneficial to see the outside with the cockpit open.

http://youtu.be/yRSRzJATMl0?hd=1

Next patch ! ;)

Thanks for the sound patch.

but
what happen to trees? it looks less detailed and blurred or something :(




http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/attachm...9&d=1314974516

lots of jaggies too...maybe its his card.......... ha

I am going to go with your fiancée to a pub, after they arrange the A.A.

And you are not in charge to me to be quiet, you are not anybody, the A.A. is the awful, it is preferable that arrange the AA and do not color them.

Thanks for the update Luthier!

Things are looking greatly improved. Good luck for a smooth patch release.

The colors look spot on now, like in summer time. Much better than with original release.

Thanks for the update luthier :) lookin forward to the patch, the 109 sounds bloody awsome :D :D

im guessing he is using "low" trees.

Sorry if my coment sounds negative but I hope the washed out colors (only going from the images actual play may change my mind) help with the overall graphics improvement, because if they don't, I don't like it.

I buy jeans that look new. Not ones that have been bleached and drug through the dirt to give them character?

Now let me say I love CloD (and will love it more when it's finished) so I am not an Anti-CloD player.

I like the landscape in this game. Looks very realistic!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adZB2...eature=related

I work as an airline pilot and very often fly over the UK..

Wow ! What is this game !!! I"ve never seen it before ! Now THAT is realistic and immersive...Hope Luthier sees that and gets inspired by that piece of art !
Hope other members will enlight us about this gem !

:grin::grin::grin:

Salute !

I'm tired ...........

Stange.. that video looks like they filmed it threw a fish tank that needed the water changed a month ago

This is Wings of Prey...if that looks realistik to you, then you should go out without your green-shades..

+100
In fact is as realistic as being playing Wop in front a screen. No more, no less.

Wasn't they degraded in quality some patch ago?

Sepia tones....Puke

That is a wind up isn't it.? That has to be the most disgusting colour ,i can assure you the UK is not that colour,algae /snot green yikes.
If Luthier takes any notice of that colour palette then i will be very very worried.;-)

To the junior and new members...
 

:grin::grin::grin:

Salute !

Its not a SIM, its colors are wrong, the green tint is horrible all agreed....BUT the layout of the fields and trees is much better than CLOD it looks far more organic and real.
Could the size of the CLOD map be done like that? maybe...maybe not, but i wish it could.

Quoted for truth!

If WOP can be classified as a sim then I can call myself a pilot because I wear a leather flight helmet and run around with my arms outstretched making engine noises... ;-)

noone said anything about the gameplay!! We are talking about the landscape! Most sims we play lack the blue shade the atmosphere provides... If u want Il2 1946 to look real for example you need to increase the blue spectrum in the graphics section of the video card...

Did anybody ever try to measure the actual speed of the aircraft by measuring the map of England, between two known points in WoP, and timing.

It always surprised me how fast one can go from London to Dover in that follow the little dot on the map game with fly in a green fuzzy fish bowl dogfight.

WoP is nice graphics engine technology demo, but that's all (Eternity Project). It is not easy to develop as realistic a flight simulator as possible. Also sim fans are already demanding nowadays.

Howdy Kanno. Yes I will try to think how to come up with something totally new. UQMG is over 10 years old... I think it showed its age about a week after I first released it. I've been looking for an excuse to get off my lazy butt and perhaps learn a new language, such as C# as opposed to VB.

Well a delay is better of it works and is done right.

I'm a huge fan of measure twice, cut once.




Thanks for keeping us updated






LOL i'm a fan of that series, but only for the flight scenes, the plot and story could have been better done in regarding the social / political / war / cloning / slave points they were trying to get across (in comparison to ghost in the shells take on cybernetics and politics, right of people etc that was well done).

where can one purchase that sky crawlers series? Looks like it would make for some interesting viewing

ingsoc84 you can rent it from Netflix for sure the combats footages are very well done, 3 D's are awesome. If only it could look like this ;)
Great animation !!

~US$7,00 for DVD, ~US$16,00 for Blu-Ray @ Amazon.com

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss...awlers&x=0&y=0

Hiro: Very True ..
I see you like Anime's

In Wings Of Prey I like the Mediterranean theater much better as far as look goes but look at the 109 and how stark it looks in the sky it almost looks like it has a huge amount of more contrast added to it sticks out in the sky like a fly in a glass of milk. The cockpits are awful compared to COD cockpits


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qR0HOX-XZiI

so do i... i thank you too Luthier and i'll wait like all the others 'cause i believe Il2 series is the best sim i've ever played... but with Clod i find an unplayable sim with many bugs and it's been a long time since Clod has been released... so i thank you for your efforts but not for your efficiency...

And I thank you too, Luthier, and I am grateful that you did not "take my money and run away" but instead stood there, took the "heat" and continue developing with your team a correct sound and graphics setup so that I will be able to enjoy this flight sim in the near future.

~S~

Exactly :-D

Amen to that..

I couldn't give a rats a$$ about what happened and why, who to blame and why as it's completely futile..

We've got the Sim, they're working and fixing it, I'm enjoying it and I know il still be flying this sim in years to come with what I suspect to be lovely maps, great eye candy and some amazing ww2 fighters n bombers.

S

The new images look great but it does seem like a blue filter has been applied across the entire image regardless of distance. Perhaps a compromise to avoid a framerate hit.

I took off the blue tint on the hurricanes in this pic for comparison:

http://i52.tinypic.com/qwzmuv.jpg

lets hope its not going to be that way in the final patch.

The top one could be a shot from the film the Battle of Britain,it has that lovely colour /tone to it.
Bottom one is definitely toned down.
Whether it is because you can compare the two you notice it more.

Yes I have. Distances are accurate.

MAC