You seem very twitchy for a person who is very tolerant. I responded to your post because it seemed quite angry as you used bolded text and told us all to get a reality check. You said "they were forced to release a game" I explained what I knew from the years I have read the updates for your benefit, yes they were forced to release the game early.

I also have no problem with you not liking the game or being disappointed in it, I just don't understand all the hate you and your buddies spew on these forums multiple times a day like you are doing everyone a favour. I would not mind if the spewing so much if it was of a different nature every time it was dribbled out, but alas it is not.

Hey Rep!

Luthier, you say you have spent the morning reading the forums right?

The mood of alot (not all, but a high percentage) of people here has been more like this as regarding communication from you ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvCrl...eature=related


You might of been able to tell from the posts and petitions, but they were removed.

Your a intelligent guy im sure, so i cant help wonder why you posted what you did. All it would do is upset and wind up the forum even more. I and alot of others here are left confused as to your intentions.

By all means have a laugh and a joke, but please add something that a high percentage (but not all)of your customers have been asking for.

Furbs

Sense of Humor does? I will not say anything bad, but not good. for me this is equal to nothing...I still like that a month ago, without knowing how it evolves the work...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmF2ybYf62Q



OOo thanks luthier for nothing

Well cheers for the update...

I'm guessing that's what it was?

Boo hoo! <------- in a generic sense.....not aimed at anyone in particular

on one hand i was annoyed to see luthier post that. but on the other if luthier wants to get in the habbit of posting more relaxed posts then we shouldn't get in the way of that. Embrace it.

make some noise if your livin' coz none of it matters. but its funny all the same.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evA-R9OS-Vo

Anyone else find it ironic that a "Luthier" is actually someone who makes and repairs stringed instruments. Coincidence? ;)

Those People, which get upset about this humorous update-post from luthier, don't deserve better!

These are the characteristic posts that we will remember and laugh about in 5 or 10 years - when the game is well into its life cycle and nothing new is on the horizon anymore.

So stfu moaning.

I love humor myself!

Here we go!

What about this one, actually is still better and more immersive than CoD!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFunfdyt2mI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhO94...eature=related

:lol::lol::grin::mrgreen::mrgreen:

I thought it would help Luthier have hope of what he could achieve from what he already has! Maybe he can aspire to the level you saw in my WoP post ;)

If you feel that you cannot have a constructive exchange of opinions with me, then that is your own beef.

I choose to view Luthier's post as an update, since it technically contains an update. I choose to view that post as 100% better than nothing at all, and I'm content with that. Is it as good as I'd hope? Of course not. But I'll still take it.

You, on the other hand, do nothing but wail, moan and spew vitriol onto the boards with just about every post. If not doing the same makes me a joker, then so be it.

I would like a clarification from you as to why I can't really afford to be only a joker, if you please.

If COD is all that we ALL want in 10 years, i will laugh with you.

Not? I and others have not paid the same Simulator to your? perhaps is that we do not have as much patience as you! as I said in other posts to my sold me the game as if was a finished product, and I'm tired of that reproach the people as I claim what actually is up, a simulator that works well...


In fact, I am not angry with the team of luthier, I'm angry with UBISOFT, is why I have complained to them more than 4 times and secure it continuare complaining.
luthier only asking you is something very simple, to report to their clients without ironies now I believe that not you can afford them...
people who you think well, very well for you, but do not try shut up that if we mean what we think...

there's no hate, hate would be posting "CURSE YOU, MADDOX GAMES! I'M UNINSTALLING THIS PIECE OF C**P THING YOU MADE COS IT AIN'T WORKING!! I'M GONNA SUE YOUR A** AND THEN RUN TO MY DOCTOR FOR ANTI-DEPRESSANTS!!!"
I actually do like the sim and its potential, despite being buggy and half finished. There's great, great possibilities with this engine.

What I don't like is that the lead developer of a game that we paid for feels entitled to behave like this, not as an alternative like "here's the updates.. now for the funny side of things, check this out..", but as "hey, here's what I think of you, you're just a bunch of whiney monkeys who's gonna do what I say and take anything I say for good".

I would really like to see what your reaction would be if you were at the receiving end of all this on another daily life situation: as someone else wisely posted, it's like having a sports car that you can enjoy every now and then, because you work all the week and have a family/chores to take care of, and when you finally sit in it, hoping that all the money that you spent for were for a good cause, it won't work as promised. 5 months after you bought it the dealer answers to your right questions "yeah, we're working on it, it's gonna be fine, in the mean time have a look at this random video, we really think of you as a valued customer!"


P.S.
As for the bold, it's not shouting, it's stressing on something, caps is shouting.

That was the old Lucasfilm game which paled in comparison to their Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe (SWOTL).

The BOB game was way less advanced. Loved playing SWOTL and that's what got me into flight sims in the first place.

I am totally agree with what you say.

Yes, really. I don't blame them.

I just registered to tell you the following: I bought an incomplete alpha techdemo for the prize of a full game, and the developers only have time for bad jokes that border on mocking.

I will never buy a game from 1C again.

Oh nooo David is on quick lock the thread... ;)

Seriously though this thread should be locked an definitely not be made a sticky...

I started with this Simulator

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQ6qhisVPeA

As funny as this is, he made a mess of things for the moderators.

you obviously read only certain posts, cos there's plenty of useful posts made by me, have a look when you have time..

As for the request for a clarification, I'm afraid there's a lost in translation issue here, I wasn't referring to you, but to Luthier.

Good find,

I didn't know that! Great joke, finely played.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luthier

MAC

When you have a dodgy sports car and wish to complain about it how often would you? Once a month, week, day or hour? We are all in the same boat here and not one of us have a different game from the others so we all start from the same place but seems we end up at different destinations. I can tell you if you rang a garage hourly to repeat the same thing over and over again he will tell you where to go.

I take it you have played games before this and have good knowledge of games development from past titles. The fact that the developer speaks to us directly and usually weekly, with a touch of honesty as well, is more than any other software house has done in the entire history of me playing computer games. I respect that more than you would know. I have seen games that have bombed and not one of those has had the top honcho on their forums relaying information to us like Luthier does. They are usually released and abandoned, that's all we get from them.

ps I never implied you shouted.

Dammit! Now if that! better to hitting me a shot in the head
I'm sorry, but that doesn't mean that I'm waiting for a response...

thing is, other software houses have a much wider market, so they can afford to not care about the customers, as there are hundreds of thousands of other customers.

simulators on the other hand are a much narrower market, and if you alienate your customers base in this market, you're toasted!

Be afraid,

isn't that the new sound dev on the drum? So that's what the u/c will sound like!

No, don't flame me I'm just trying to stay OT or at least in the spirit of it. Or to put it another way, Luthier started it.....

Veltro, Their Finest Hour was my first air combat 'sim', just before I moved to Air Warrior.

Still trying to stay 'in the spirit' but to be pedantic, its not an update. We know "the sound is progressing well", he told us that last time in his "most wanted" post. An update is more like "the sound is approximately 75% complete, we estimate release in three weeks". Now wouldn't a post like that quieten things down? Well, no, because some people would still be unhappy but that's no reason not to tell us.

No one else is making WW2 flight sims. Where do you plan on going?

Atari released tons of games to a wider market that were substandard and poorly supported, look what happened to them. Bad and unsupported games fail no matter the size of the fanbase. Also the competition in the popular genres is much tougher, where as the competition in flight sims is barely no existent.

agree

I would refer to the dealer, who's gonna apologise, take care of it, give me a courtesy car, fix the issue and give me the car back, valeted too.

Now I don't want this much of a service, all I'm asking is that the developers, like any other developer of videogames (again, take a look at what Studio 777 and NeoQB before them did with RoF), keep their customers up to date.

You know what the real drama is? Maddox Games has always had an erratic PR managing, as a consequence some outstanding features of the sim are not even known/reported, and people randomly find out by mistake, that's the true shame.

I have yes, played PC games since the times of Yeager Air Combat and similar, and I've seen them all.. my concern is a constructive one, I'm not crying for performance issues or tracers here, if you have the time and patience to look in other threads I actually do defend Maddox Games work, cos under many aspects it's spot on.

Look, it's obvious you don't want to understand my point, shall we just agree to disagree?

of course, even bigger software houses can't pull that of an unlimited number of times. a few times they can get over with no problem, but after a point, the giants go down even faster than the smaller ones.

OK I can do that, I do not have the energy to keep this up for long anyhow. :D

Well I have to say one thing, I wouldnt be very happy with it but I doubt very much if we ever get updates again now whether they are serious or not..

Whatever is done or said now in these forums gets trashed so I would expect just a steam update with a readme attached from now on.

Whether I aggree with the way things are going or not, whether I'm classed as troll, whiner or fanboi the fact is these forums are a mess now which not even Perma bans would sort out (and there shoul be loads of them dished out on both side of the coin here...

I wouldn't expect much at all from Luthier or the Devs from this point on...

Yes, those RoF developers are pretty onto it. :-D

When they face a firing-squad every time they show themselves on the boards, I can't really blame them.

Tbf with this post he did aim the red dot on his own forehead... :rolleyes:

I find it hysterical the way many make out they have taken out a mortgage to buy this game or that buying CloD was the largest investment that have made in their lives... comical. I can't step outside my front door without spending £30.

Get over it, the game was released early, in a beta state, patches are coming that with luck will rectify it... but you just need to get over the fact that you wasted 6 years beating yourselves off over weekly updates and be patient. Some pills are tough to swallow. ;-)

I bought Duke Nukem.. played it for 5 minutes.. laughed at myself for being so dumb. That was it.. i'm not spamming their forums with tosh.

second to that :-D

well many people updated their rigs to keep up with the high end specs, so you can appreciate that it's not just a case of buying the game. Apparently there are people here that play ONLY IL-2/CoD, so investing in a new rig + the game is surely more than spending 30 quid to get out of their house..

..now what's that thing about spending 30 quid to get out of your house? lol

No, your spamming this forum with tosh :) in my opinion of course Tom ;)

Anyone who purchased a high end PC for CloD has my sympathy.. they can PM me if they want the number of my head doctor. Because they need a check up asap. :-P

In all seriousness i do feel sorry for anyone who only plays IL2/CloD and threw £1000 at a new rig for it. But talk about a leap of faith.

if you can't beat them.... :)

when all else fails, theres always vodka tovarisch...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtBCOt_c_vA

Actually I think 1C modelled the tree's and colours after watching this video ;)

Yeah,so much loyalty over so many years by so much fans rewarded by so little....6 years of patience seems more than enough to me.
It sucks either way you look at it!

Same here for WoP.

Damn it! Best haircut that i have ever seen!:mrgreen:

Ahhh the usual effervescant atmosphere that follows an update, no wonder they come to pass so frequently

That may well be so, but the game worked, this one doesn't.

What's the difference? I thought it sucked. Does it matter if I stop playing because it sucks or I stop playing because it has a lot of bugs? At least the game with lots of bugs is going to be fixed.

LOL! :-D

Nice one Luthier. The most appropriate response in a forum where the more you say, the more you get criticised.

And for the rest of you, please note that telling people about what is going to happen later doesn't make it happen sooner...

ok

i LOOOOOOOLed

like... a LOT.


now: patch please

And you think that this is the causal order? :rolleyes:
There would be no trouble with the joke and the mockery if they would come beside normal informations, not instead...

Alrite mate, luthier, ilya or whatever ya are called, this is the most unrespectfull post i ever see, people pay MONEY yes MONEY and you don't show yer face to say in what ya are working on, please come on, if ya dosnae have the time to do it, put a chav to do it for ya, but please don't mock on us

Sad very sad

WHAAAT???!!!! I doesn't? I thought that every time Luthier posted a dev. update the patch was being finished faster and faster. :(;)

Its a only a teasing, we get info soon or maybe even new patch.

You sure it was luthier?

[QUOTE=luthier;314241]Yes, we're alive. Me especially. I rarely feel more alive than after a morning reading of the forums!

The sound is progressing well.

General mood:;)

This type of "update" won't unscramble the egg...

This will:
Who?
What?
Where?
How?
Why?
When?

"You're never late? If you don't care".............

I'm have IL CoD now for 4 months. A simulation that does not work properly.

I have nothing of it, if Luthier wrote one single sentence in the forum. There is no timetable for anything, when the game will work properly. This is very weak.

There are problems with the graphics engine, the flight behavior, physics and so on. Sounds and effects seems to me, like from the old IL.

:(

lol that's exactly what I thought at first! I thought "he can't be that crazy..."

Luthier is not really in a position to tease anyone atm.

Luthier does not appear to share that opinion.

I figured as much, thanks for the heads up!

My first flight sim, bought my first PC to play it, great game:grin:

Very funny update, Luthier, thank-you! Nice to see how human you all are :grin:

I must say though that such a humorous approach does full me with reinforced hope that, since you can feel so safe in a position to tease, that we can expect great things shortly...

I think that what we can learn, though, is that the team isn't going anywhere, which is great :cool:

Just my opinion too :)

My God!

Did you see that big Millenium Falcon in the background?

Alot of people making derogatory posts (monkeys sitting around a table for ex), making fun of developers in all sorts of manner calling it "constructive input" seems to have real trouble receiving it (in their opinion mind u) instead of dishing it out.

Speaks volumes imo.

what a load of fun:rolleyes:. if luthier comes here to read the forums, indeed he knows how to stir things up and distract a lot of ppl from asking things like "how are the clouds coming along".

btw luthier if you happen to read this, how are the clouds coming along? any progress on AI? when will be a decent and working menu system? any flight model being revised? what about the realistic water? any hint when we'll see the weather? that's for starters, as there's no point getting beyond the working basics right now. nice to know 'the sound is progressing well'.
...

as for me i also have a sense of humor and have a somewhat moody relation with the mornings, so here it goes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5irHyoRNcRY

take it with a grain of salt..

Yes, it was a superb game about the BoB. Campaign was also great even if it was ultra simplified.

After so many years, the Battle of Britain is still my favorite theater...

....."in spite of all".

[QUOTE=lothar29;314416]I started with this Simulator

I've started with this one (I was very young :D)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UTyyps_cCk

It was great fun then!

This is what I am hoping it is meant to mean , big patch Friday to verify his cheek :-D!

in whose opinion mate? :confused:

HAHHAHA!! HILARIOUS!!!

Loving the sim so far ....spectacular scenery! Look forward to playing this for next decade!

We have here 176 answering posts.

92 People have posted here.

Ten of them posted negatively with up to 11 posts adding to 24 negative posts.

That means the illusions of grandeur of the "negativity-group", meaning their thinking that they are speaking for a big percentage of people, are just that, illusions.

As the people which aren't following this thread are either waiting patiently or have already shelved the sim, we see here 10, possibly lost sales for follow up products.

I believe 1c and MG can live with that.

Mouth to mouth propaganda will more than make up for that when the sim is running as it should.

hahaha, thanks luthier for that "update with fun" ;)

Blimey don't you have anything better to do than analyse everything?
Hopefully some of the vids I posted in the threads make Luthier smile,thats the idea.
I thought Luthiers post was great, made me smile a lot today.Everybody takes things so seriously.You're a long time dead you know! ;)

lol, the petition thread blows your stats to pieces, BOOM!

To be fair Tree the petition was about communication and even I a "Fanboy" (apparently) agreed...

"I believe 1c and MG can live with that." :-D

The Dev team has stood behind every game they have worked on. I have no doubt that the team will get this game playable for 99% of the people who want to play it. It may take a few months, but you can't expect fast results with a game this complex.

I couldn't put this any better, but wasn't Duke Nukem Forever the biggest load 'o' crud to have ever graced the market, I did exactly the same, 5 minutes and a few of the cheesiest lines of innuendo and it got unninstalled.

The petition thread only offered one choice therefore results are skewed in your favor. A poll most probably would have yielded a different result.

According to you, what is the topic of this thread, if not the communication? :rolleyes: The details of the development update? :-D

Really?
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthr...unication+poll

Be kind with Luthier. Remember Matthew "Manic Miner" Smith's words:

"it’s common conception that managing games development teams is a very difficult job, whereas it’s probably fairer to say that it’s a totally impossible job and that nobody should be foolish enough to attempt it".

Cheers,
Insuber

Lol, might as well start a comparison of apples and oranges.

I had one of those for my 11th birthday...massive thing it was

The top came off to which exposed the turret for a figure to sit in, a removable floor panel to smuggle any guns or droids you may have seized and a round chess table where chewbacca could sit and pull off CP3O's arms when he lost..

Anyway...

''That wasnt the Millenium Falcon you were looking for...move along,move along''

~S~

lol, nice one Tom, I believe thats a double, BOOM BOOM! :grin:

Still got mine! :grin:

My brother had the MF, Scout Walker, AT-AT etc. dozens of the figures. all originals....

He moved to NZ and left them in my Dad's loft....

Haven't got the heart to tell him that Dad cleared the loft out last year....

He didn't keep any of them. :(

When you say cleared, you don't mean... Trashed?!?!?!...:confused:

:oops: did he not know how much originals are now or did he pocket the money :lol:

It's good that you have a 'glass is half full' attitude. I wish I could share you're confidence and enthusiasm for the future of Clod.

I'm one of the ones here that finds Luthiers post at best 'flippant', and at the worst... well, somewhat insulting. I do have a sense of humour but I couldn't find anything within it to make me smile (the lad on the banjo is awesome though!).

On the other hand I've had some 48 hours with Clod and some of it was quite enjoyable. It's only in the last fortnight that I haven't touched it due to the many frustrations I'm experiencing with the sim and its being released in a half finished state. I think it's worth remembering that many on here who are being labelled whiners etc. are only cheesed off because not only does Clod not feature a significant amount of the features promised but many of the ones that are included are so broken that it will take months (if not years) to repair them. If Luthier is starting to get fed up with the forum content regarding Clod he needs to address the problem of communication (or lack of it) to the people who've forked out their hard earned cash on it. It's the least he can do to appease the feelings of the people who quite rightly IMO feel they have been shafted with the state of Clod even now a couple of months after release. To accept the shocking state that Clod was released in without complaint is madness and is just a signal to all devs out there that they can release what they want and Joe Public will accept it as a norm or a 'sign of the times'.

I've been gaming/simming since the Sinclair ZX81 came out (yeah, I'm that old!:)) and in all the years since then I don't remember there being such a hoo-haa over a game/sim release as there has been with Clod, and quite rightly so. The lack of pre-release info was enough for me to expect some problems but I certainly did not expect anyone to have the cojones to release something that was clearly still very broken and forced out of the door onto an unsuspecting community desperate for a new sim.

Had we been informed we were to be Alpha testers then that is a different matter, but we weren't! In the end for the devs and publishers it's about money and making as much as possible with as little outlay as possible and where Clod is concerned that is one of the worries. Is there enough money and commitment for Clod to be made into what it can and should be? Some seem to be convinced that the dev team aren't going anywhere...I hope that's true. I bought Silent Hunter 5 and I think I'm correct in saying that the 'plug was pulled' pretty quickly on that one, I'd hate to see Clod go the same way. :)

A round of applause for that man, a very good post. S!

Dear chap, there is a level of ambiguity with my posting! I was partially happy to see that Luthier can be such a 'normal' guy, but other that I've masked my truthful feelings behind a humorous facade. :grin:
I'm just, personally, tired of the ping-pong opinion-based arguments. I agree with your posting, but didn't write something similar because of the inevitable back-wash...
I think the second paragraph of my posting shows how I truly feel, and portrays the effect which Luthier's post can have. More false assumptions and more aggrivation is probably inevitable :cool:

OMG another whiner and moaner, go away, Luthier is working really hard and post like this make him want to cry and not post here any more.

Its you and whiners like you that made Oleg leave and do other stuff and your the reason COD isn't finished, not Luthier or the brilliant team.
















/sarcasm_off 100% spot on post mate.