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Novotny 02-15-2011 02:27 PM

Yes with IL-2 being such rubbish I didn't have high hopes for CoD at all. No hang on, I must be some sort of idiot that can't conceive of anything being possibly good without youtube evidence.

sfmadmax 02-15-2011 02:29 PM

Even though posting those vids was wrong, I for one was very excited when I saw them. I can't wait for release next month :grin:

addman 02-15-2011 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Novotny (Post 224372)
Yes with IL-2 being such rubbish I didn't have high hopes for CoD at all. No hang on, I must be some sort of idiot that can't conceive of anything being possibly good without youtube evidence.

Come on man! This is pre-release paranoia.:) Everybody's going ape-sh*t over something, sys reqs, grass shade, AA, crossfire/SLI compatibility (LOL on that one). Speaking for myself, I literally count the seconds until it's released. Wouldn't be a Maddox Games release without all these components:)

Novotny 02-15-2011 02:37 PM

Yes well, it's incredibly satisfying to see all the nay-sayers (omg it's going to be rubbish! they're hiding it 'cause it's awful!) suddenly silenced. I've never been some sort of delirious fan, but only a fool would think that the last ten years of IL2 didn't give a hint that their sequel might be pretty good too.

Baron 02-15-2011 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BadAim (Post 224361)
If Ilya were looking for my advice, I would tell him not to fire the programmer in question (Unless, as Baron said some collusion comes to light), because he was let down by his friend just as much as Oleg and Ilya were. In the end it was the beta tester who decided to break his word, and he should bear the brunt of the consequences.

I'm not surprised any more at how little a man's word means these days, but it still breaks my heart.


I agree with that to.

I do hope the programmer in question and 1C rips the beta tester (wont say his name) a new one. I know i would. As far as legal means could take it (in 1C case) if for no other reason than just for the hell of it since i can only assume that that's the sentiments behind the leak itself. That "dude" strikes me as just that kind of person.

addman 02-15-2011 02:40 PM

I have a moral dilemma with this one, although I loath the guy for doing it I also appreciate seeing the clips.

Novotny 02-15-2011 02:40 PM

Regarding the programmer: I'm in no position to offer any advice, but if it were up to me, I would want to consider what sort of message my response to the leak would give to others thinking of disregarding the privacy agreements they signed.

Heliocon 02-15-2011 02:44 PM

Yes breaching NDA is very seriouse and they could pursue legal channels to punish it, although it may be illegal to fire the programmer for it since he did not breach NDA, his friend did (not sure at all about russian laws but you could not to this in the US).

But again, it looks great, so why has all the footage we have seen looks crappy/jaggy/laggy/hand camera, if they were so worried about releasing footage of the game while "in progress" did they choose to show us rubish? This video is better quality and tells me more about the games look, feel and performance then everything we have received before combined. This is exactly what they should be doing more off (not the leaking, but showing videos like this).

Making a computer game is 2 parts
1. programming/making
2. Marketing/sales in order to facilitate 1

THe more of 2 = more of 1, I think this video has gone a long way to securing more pre orders for the game, without it I would not have (and was not going to) pre order.

Novotny 02-15-2011 02:48 PM

Having never successfully launched an international release to continual critical acclaim and terrific sales, leading to complete domination of a market in which I had never previously competed in and which was, at the time, led by the largest company in the world, I shall decline to advice Mr Maddox on how best to release his next product.

Because I'm not a total retard, you see?

swiss 02-15-2011 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Heliocon (Post 224388)
Yes breaching NDA is very seriouse and they could pursue legal channels to punish it, although it may be illegal to fire the programmer for it since he did not breach NDA, his friend did (not sure at all about russian laws but you could not to this in the US).

It's actually luthier's who had to take the fire.
He was the person in charge - and he's replaceable just like anyone else.
The abuse of trust of friend of his programmer could potentially cost him his job.
Now I didn't say this option was ever considered, but maybe you understand why he was so pi$sed.

Royraiden 02-15-2011 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by swiss (Post 224397)
It's actually luthier's who had to take the fire.
He was the person in charge - and he's replaceable just like anyone else.
The abuse of trust of friend of his programmer could potentially cost him his job.
Now I didn't say this option was ever considered, but maybe you understand why he was so pi$sed.

Replaceable like anyone else?You are saying that you want Luthier to be fired?I certainly dont understand what you meant, could you explain?

Sturm_Williger 02-15-2011 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Heliocon (Post 224388)
...
But again, it looks great, so why has all the footage we have seen looks crappy/jaggy/laggy/hand camera, if they were so worried about releasing footage of the game while "in progress" did they choose to show us rubish?
....

Dunno, maybe it's just me, but I never thought most of what they showed us looked rubbish. Might have had jaggies 'cos the AA was off, but that doesn't mean it has to stay off. Still looked streets ahead of IL2.

Does anyone remember that first video ( seems a long time ago now ) of the spitfire cockpit with the shadows etc. ? Yet somehow if some stills had jaggies, it was all bad ?

kendo65 02-15-2011 04:20 PM

That video was a leak too!

(or at least unauthorised by Oleg)

Seems they have been extremely cautious in deciding what exactly goes out - the unofficial stuff has been the most encouraging and informative as to the state of play.

swiss 02-15-2011 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Royraiden (Post 224405)
Replaceable like anyone else?You are saying that you want Luthier to be fired?I certainly dont understand what you meant, could you explain?

I said(in general - not only related to this incident)

If you are the person in charge, taking responsibility actually makes you responsible if somethings fails(that's why your paycheck is usually bigger).

It doesn't have to be something you did in persona - but you have to take all the sh1t if your subordinate fuçks up - worst case such incidents can get both fired.
Seen such stuff in RL(no I wasn't involved).

Got it?

Kwiatek 02-15-2011 04:50 PM

I think guy who laked these 2 videos should get a medal beacuse he showed at least for now the best videos from COD not crap ones like before :P

I think such expected simulator deserve for much better trailer then recently offical one.

The Kraken 02-15-2011 08:35 PM

Those videos were pretty neat and it was nice to finally watch some continuous footage not recorded with a smartphone, or cut up into 1 second chunks for a trailer. But on the other hand there was nearly nothing in them we hadn't already seen before (basically the ground crash and that's it), and usually in better resolution. Really wondering why some people suddenly go from "crap" to "wonderful" because of that...?

LukeFF 02-15-2011 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Kwiatek (Post 224439)
I think guy who laked these 2 videos should get a medal beacuse he showed at least for now the best videos from COD not crap ones like before :P

And how old are you?

Richie 02-15-2011 10:22 PM

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The guys who always had faith are going to raise to bird to the non believers with great pleasure. :)

dosstx 02-16-2011 12:22 AM

Now you guys know how it is with wikileaks. They leaked documents. That was illegal, yet, everyone says they deserve a medal.

Avala 02-16-2011 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by dosstx (Post 224641)
Now you guys know how it is with wikileaks. They leaked documents. That was illegal, yet, everyone says they deserve a medal.


Eerr . . . that was actually farce, show for the media, they leaked nothing that anybody already knew. And if you think that was something important in those "documents", they got you exactly where they wanted you. http://www.cosgan.de/images/midi/liebe/a015.gif

swiss 02-16-2011 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by dosstx (Post 224641)
Now you guys know how it is with wikileaks. They leaked documents. That was illegal, yet, everyone says they deserve a medal.

You should work on your perception. Everyone?
Certain groups of people, certain media...
They don't - certain information don't have top be available for public for the sole reason it's none of their business.

Royraiden 02-16-2011 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by dosstx (Post 224641)
Now you guys know how it is with wikileaks. They leaked documents. That was illegal, yet, everyone says they deserve a medal.

Publishing the truth is never illegal.Publishing something that is not your own on the other hand is illegal.

Richie 02-16-2011 02:16 AM

The programmers friend who put it up should be slapped around a bit but I'm glad I saw it. In my opinion one can't scorn the other for swooning over such a great clip. It's too bad it was a leaked video. The crap that Ilya went threw must have been very unpleasant. Just think how good the gold version clips are going to be.

SimHq Tom Cofield 02-16-2011 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by luthier (Post 223973)
Just so you guys know, this is a rare case of a true leak, i.e. not a marketing ploy but a real rogue user doing something really lame for self-promotion.

The stuff you're seeing is obviously from a beta, not indicative of release, and I'm really way too upset to address this in a calm manner at this time.

The person who leaked this is a personal friend of one of our programmers. I anticipated exactly this kind of issue, Oleg warned me about this specifically. The programmer asked us to give his buddy beta access as a personal favor to him, and I in turn took the responsibility on myself. I got chewed up for this big time, and I'm seriously considering letting the programmer go. It goes without saying that the author's beta access is revoked, and I'm cutting all further communication with him.

We caught this a bit too late, by which time it was way too late to try to delete it, so we'll let you guys continue discussing it but probably won't check the thread or respond to anything related to these videos.

We'll release final gameplay videos once we go gold, where you can judge the features that are shipping with release.

Ugh, sorry to hear about that. While the video was amazing it is too bad that it caused such heartburn for you and the team. Unfortunately what it will end up doing is creating more fear of leaks and less trust of testers and programmers. It is a natural reaction of course and too bad because that trust is very hard to get back once it is gone.

SimHq Tom Cofield 02-16-2011 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Royraiden (Post 224653)
Publishing the truth is never illegal.Publishing something that is not your own on the other hand is illegal.

That's a pretty simplistic line of thinking. Just because something is truthful doesn't necessarily mean it is right in publishing it. If you publish something that allows people access and ability to harm thousands of people, especially innocent people, then you aren't really doing any good.

major_setback 02-16-2011 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Royraiden (Post 224653)
Publishing the truth is never illegal.Publishing something that is not your own on the other hand is illegal.

And if that something contains documents of war crimes then it might need to be done, illegal or not.
Legality does not define what is right.

kendo65 02-16-2011 01:52 PM

Going back to the video - one of the things that impressed me most was as the Hurricane got into its take-off run there was a real feeling of speed due to the textured long grass shooting past either side of the grass runway.

Great sensation and a big improvement on il-2.

Heliocon 02-16-2011 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by dosstx (Post 224641)
Now you guys know how it is with wikileaks. They leaked documents. That was illegal, yet, everyone says they deserve a medal.

Probably the most igorrant and worst comment you could of possibly made in this thread.

Wikileaks did not leak anything, they released information leaked by a member of the intelligence community and are therefore not doing anything illegal. They are protected under the constituition and can desminate the information as they wish as they are publishing or presenting it, not leaking it. If they encouraged the leak then they may be guilty of a crime but as of now that has not been proven.

As for my personal opinion on their actions I wont go into, but it was not illegal and is not comparable to this game footage leak.

edit: Sorry your thinking is simplistic. The leaks incase you did not realise had the names of parties removed from them, so "thousands of innocent people" is a bit of an exageration.

Royraiden 02-16-2011 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SimHq Tom Cofield (Post 224682)
That's a pretty simplistic line of thinking. Just because something is truthful doesn't necessarily mean it is right in publishing it. If you publish something that allows people access and ability to harm thousands of people, especially innocent people, then you aren't really doing any good.

Definitely.Wrong use of words by me then.

JG52Uther 02-16-2011 07:20 PM

Of course,with all the internal grief this has undoubtably caused at 1C, showing us cool stuff on a Friday has probably slipped quite far down the 'to do' list...

wallydog69 02-17-2011 06:29 AM

Every time I check in on the progress, the game looks better and better. Eagerly awaiting the release. In the meantime here's a little video from the world of FSX

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S55JsYiRKs0&hd=1


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