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KAV 10-19-2010 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Korsakov829 (Post 191124)
Perhaps I shall drive over to 1C HQ and start asking questions? I want to see if they have any of those free pens too..


Good idea Korsakov.
Tell them you represent some thousand BoP´ers who would each a pen and a sequel ;)

Mac, I hope you are right, and based on Dkwooikies numbers, I cant see why not.

winny 10-19-2010 09:00 PM

MAC,

for some reason (like I already said) I believe you.

I remember at least 2 occasions where it was obvious that you'd spoken to someone from either the Devs or the publishers in the past (the sponsoring of a competition was one of them).. 1 cheeky question, have you spoken to them again?

Korsakov,

Get in your car and get over there! (get me a pen too!)

House MD 221B 10-19-2010 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MACADEMIC (Post 191103)
No problem Pope,

You and House can have your opinion on this. For some it's good news that there will be sequel to BOP, others may ignore it until an official announcement is made. You may also think of me what you want, but I don't owe you an explanation. And I can and will not say more in the subject than I already have.

MAC

Don't get us wrong Mac, its not us "thinking anything of you" or not, its not about that. But you can't just announce something without supporting evidence. You can't be surprised that people find this hard to believe. a Dev should be announcing this, or a new forum or website for it. So in those terms, yes you kind of do owe an explanation. Otherwise anyone can just post random nice things as fact without evidence.

No disrespect intended, I have no problem with the times we've flown together online or conversed on here, you seem decent. But I could announce that they are re-making Air Warrior for consoles based on a central server with a subscription fee. It would be lovely, but its just my word with no proof. Surely you can appreciate and understand our feelings on this. I want it to be true, I hope your right, and I'd LOVE it if it even had only a fraction of things in the wish-list. This isn't intended to start an argument, but something, ANYTHING other than "because I've said so" IS required.

P.S. Free pens!?!?!? Korsakov.... ;);)

Korsakov829 10-19-2010 09:11 PM

Anyone know the address?
EDIT: Found it, 21, Seleznevskaya ulitsa, 123056. Its night here so I'll go in the morning.

dkwookie 10-19-2010 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by KAV (Post 191128)
Good idea Korsakov.
Tell them you represent some thousand BoP´ers who would each a pen and a sequel ;)

Mac, I hope you are right, and based on Dkwooikies numbers, I cant see why not.

A 1c Company pen? Its probably got slow ink relase and when it runs out of ink they will tell you we dont support that pen any more due to lack of demand....but we have a new better pen coming out soon that fixes the flaws of our previous one

House MD 221B 10-19-2010 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by dkwookie (Post 191139)
a 1c company pen? Its probably got slow ink relase and when it runs out of ink they will tell you we dont support that pen any more due to lack of demand....but we have a new better pen coming out soon that fixes the flaws of our previous one

lolol

Korsakov829 10-19-2010 09:31 PM

Lmfao, that sounds so true.

Games are released relatively fast at their source. It doesn't get out to England or America fast. And knowing 1C a little they aren't too willing to support English games.

MACADEMIC 10-19-2010 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by winny (Post 191129)
MAC, for some reason (like I already said) I believe you.

Thanks Winny.

I don't think anything I can say here will convince those who insist on hard evidence, so they'll just have to wait and see. And if you read my previous posts here, I've already stated that my source is authentic. It comes down to if you believe what I say is true or not.

Anybody's choice, free world. Anyway it's nice to see that everybody wants the sequel, so in the end everone's gonna be happy.

:)

MAC

bobbysocks 10-19-2010 09:57 PM

i appreciate people's enthusiasm about this game like test-flight in the other thread..i am glad there are people excited about possibly something further happening. its a great game and the rumor of a second go around?? its like telling a kid christmas is around the corner. so i can fault anyone for getting all pumped up and letting their dreams go. but i cant hold any of the skeptics at fault either. so many rumors have come and gone there is a certain numbness to new unofficial news. "SUPPOSEDLY" a sequel was to come out but got put on the back burner because of apache air assault. "SUPPOSEDLY" its set in the pacific theater. i just want something...and i am willing to wait...and maybe write a few letters...stop by and get a pen...keep the faith, brothers...and maybe we will all be rewarded. regardless, this is the only game i play and until i am the only crate in the sky, i will keep flying.

winny 10-19-2010 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Korsakov829 (Post 191135)
Anyone know the address?
EDIT: Found it, 21, Seleznevskaya ulitsa, 123056. Its night here so I'll go in the morning.

Well somehow we've managed to deploy our own special forces guy to sort sh*t out, which, for this forum is pretty impressive. Remember to secure the 'only patched Xbox in existence' (it's gotta be there) and I think I don't want a pen anymore because wookie's right.. (hang on..get me one of the NEW pens :) )

Zatoichi_Sanjuro 10-19-2010 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Korsakov829 (Post 191124)
Perhaps I shall drive over to 1C HQ and start asking questions? I want to see if they have any of those free pens too..

If you succeed there will be a party at the Kremlin and you can sing patriotic songs with Putin. :grin:

Korsakov829 10-20-2010 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by winny (Post 191151)
Well somehow we've managed to deploy our own special forces guy to sort sh*t out, which, for this forum is pretty impressive. Remember to secure the 'only patched Xbox in existence' (it's gotta be there) and I think I don't want a pen anymore because wookie's right.. (hang on..get me one of the NEW pens :) )

Very funny, what do you want me to do drive a tank instead of a car? Or load my AN-94 with blanks and shoot the president? Perhaps I'll gift wrap a grenade instead. So I guess I'll go out now, get a drink and head on over.

bobbysocks 10-20-2010 06:40 AM

good morning Mr. Korsakov829. your mission, should you so accept it, will to commandeer a hind mi-24, fly it to 21, Seleznevskaya ulitsa, 123056...hover in front of their plate glass window and eloquently 'splain the issues the member of the 1c forum have with the game and "SOPPOSED" sequel ( which is american english for...make them an offer they CAN'T F'n refuse!!!) we are sure they will see your point of view and comply. vodkas on me, if it works pal! if it doesnt...we at this forum disavow any knowledge of your actions...this post will self destruct in 60 seconds...good luck kors. PFFFFFT!!!! smoke vapors......~~~~~~~~

trk29 10-20-2010 07:58 AM

^lol

MACADEMIC 10-20-2010 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by bobbysocks (Post 191150)
keep the faith, brothers...regardless, this is the only game i play and until i am the only crate in the sky, i will keep flying.

Good one Bobby,

hope you get a PS3, we need more people like you.

MAC

Korsakov829 10-20-2010 11:35 AM

I was over this morning, and I saw a list saying there were about four games
"To be announced" and Gaijin was listed as the developer of one. So there is a spot reserved for a sequel and it could be it.

Couldn't get any pens, so there goes my idea for auctioning off the ink.

MIRGERVIN 10-20-2010 11:37 AM

mirgervin
 
hi there guy mirgervin here finally . All thanks to mac for showing me how to post reply's thanks my friend.

Zatoichi_Sanjuro 10-20-2010 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MIRGERVIN (Post 191221)
hi there guy mirgervin here finally . All thanks to mac for showing me how to post reply's thanks my friend.

Welcome Mirgervin! About time! :grin:

BRIGGBOY 10-20-2010 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Zatoichi_Sanjuro (Post 191253)
Welcome Mirgervin! About time! :grin:

+1

Robotic Pope 10-20-2010 04:09 PM

I can't wait for this new Air Warrior game. Its going to be amazing, forget the BoP sequel, this is going to be way better. I'm already making a list of aircraft I want to be in the game. ;) ;) ;)

Korsakov829 10-20-2010 04:25 PM

The thing is it might not be a BoP sequel. It can be Wings of Prey converted for the consoles.

Zatoichi_Sanjuro 10-20-2010 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Korsakov829 (Post 191282)
The thing is it might not be a BoP sequel. It can be Wings of Prey converted for the consoles.

BoP is already WoP converted to consoles. I'm playing through the WoP campaign right now and it's pretty much the same game.

Korsakov829 10-20-2010 06:10 PM

They share the same theme. Think of all the things WoP has the BoP doesn't and what BoP has and WoP doesn't. I expect any new game from them to be the same WWII theme, same stuff over and over. They might as well patch it instead.

MACADEMIC 10-20-2010 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Korsakov829 (Post 191303)
They share the same theme. Think of all the things WoP has the BoP doesn't and what BoP has and WoP doesn't. I expect any new game from them to be the same WWII theme, same stuff over and over. They might as well patch it instead.

Haven't you been asking for plenty new airplanes, locations and so on, all WWII theme? Plenty of room for a new game.

MAC

bobbysocks 10-20-2010 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Korsakov829 (Post 191303)
They share the same theme. Think of all the things WoP has the BoP doesn't and what BoP has and WoP doesn't. I expect any new game from them to be the same WWII theme, same stuff over and over. They might as well patch it instead.

why sell or give away a patch when you can sell a whole new game? if they sold 600k games like dk said...and i would venture to say that a large percentage of those buyers liked the game....500 to 600k more @ 50 usd. nothing to sneaze at, man.

Korsakov829 10-20-2010 07:22 PM

They can sell the same thing with nothing new in it all they wan't. But after Il2, BoP, and WoP I would think people wouldn't be all so interested anymore. I'm just saying in the next one there could be nothing new, same problems, etc. Simply put, if the game has just small changes like file compression format, and a few new weapon unlocks and just about the same stuff as BoP, why bother and perhaps a co op. The new game might not be worth it if it doesn't give much more. And knowing how lazy Gaijin can be its only just too possible as it doesn't take much work to copy 95% of the previous game.

Zatoichi_Sanjuro 10-20-2010 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Korsakov829 (Post 191303)
They share the same theme. Think of all the things WoP has the BoP doesn't and what BoP has and WoP doesn't. I expect any new game from them to be the same WWII theme, same stuff over and over. They might as well patch it instead.

I'm only half way through the campaign so far and it's the same campaign as BoP. You can't release the same core game on consoles again and expect it to sell.

I think Anton already hinted at a Pacific campaign in the sequel; new maps, new planes and an updated game engine.

Korsakov829 10-20-2010 07:51 PM

I've seen WoP has alot more , then BoP. I've said my piece, next sequel might be disappoint some. So I'll be taking a break from the forums for a few days, its affected my health quite a bit.

Robotic Pope 10-20-2010 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Korsakov829 (Post 191320)
They can sell the same thing with nothing new in it all they wan't. But after Il2, BoP, and WoP I would think people wouldn't be all so interested anymore. I'm just saying in the next one there could be nothing new, same problems, etc. Simply put, if the game has just small changes like file compression format, and a few new weapon unlocks and just about the same stuff as BoP, why bother and perhaps a co op. The new game might not be worth it if it doesn't give much more. And knowing how lazy Gaijin can be its only just too possible as it doesn't take much work to copy 95% of the previous game.

Huh? How can you possibly know how lazy Gaijin can be? I don't quite understand what you are saying.

Gaijins next game is Apache and we will see the improvments they have made since BoP. If we then take that game and imagine the same amount of improvement again (a years worth of devellopment) to a WWII game maybe set in the pacific arena, the end game would likely be very different than BoP even if it uses the same game engine, and will have a lot of interest.

WoP = What BoP was ment to be with update support. It IS the same game. Also I believe the WoP on PC was worked on by other contracted developers while the main Gaijin team worked on Apache.

trk29 10-20-2010 11:07 PM

BOP was done before work had began on WOP to sell as a standalone game. One simple thing is BOP doesn't have German Cockpits. So BOP came first. WOP is what Gaijin wanted to give us but 505 lost interest, and like Anton said WOP is easily updated by them to users for free without having to use a publisher for patches and such.

So if a sequel is made then Hopefully by now Gaijin knows what needs to be in the sequel.

Korsakov829 10-22-2010 02:17 AM

There are many differances between both games. Fly a G-10 on BoP, and then WoP. You will see a differance for sure. Differant bullet sounds, and a cockpit. There are too many differances for them to be exact clones.

Zatoichi_Sanjuro 10-22-2010 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Korsakov829 (Post 191678)
There are many differances between both games. Fly a G-10 on BoP, and then WoP. You will see a differance for sure. Differant bullet sounds, and a cockpit. There are too many differances for them to be exact clones.

Bullet sounds, cockpit sounds and German cockpits are incidental. The flight models are the same and the core single player campaign is the same. No one said they are exact clones.

trk29 10-22-2010 03:01 AM

For those who don't visit the yuplay forum here is just two posts red is Anton's reply to the member. Remember these are from February.

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QUOTE (imnotgeoff @ Feb 15 2010, 05:31 PM)
hey anton just a quick question,what's your honest opinion about flight sims being on consoles?do you think that the market is there to sustain a continual community with DLC and other things,i ask because BOP is really the only one trying to do the full sim thing,the blazing angels games dont count an neither does heroe over europe.Or do you think that with all the problems regarding the bop patch for 360 and the fact sims are niche titles,that there is a future for them?

Anton


I think, they will be one or two more shots in this generation. Probably, from us :)
But I don't think DLC thing is going to work. Yes, DLC that was released by 505 was pverpriced, but there is no any other flightsim game on the market and 5% DLC buy rate would be reasonable - but it never reachs this rate
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QUOTE (Haiitch40 @ Feb 16 2010, 02:47 PM)
am i right in saying that now bop development is dead and i need to pin my hopes on you guys making a sequal??

We are very willing to make sequel (and are doing some development already, incorporating new features to Wings of Prey).
We hope, we'll sign deal with some publisher (developers can't release X360 game themselves, without publisher, even on XB Live) - the Birds of Prey was successful, probably not the best title of all times, but meets expectations.
We do not have publishing deal signed yet.


House MD 221B 10-22-2010 10:02 AM

that's a great quote, thanks trk :)

winny 10-22-2010 04:14 PM

Just to clear this up..

BoP was a basic port from IL-2 1946, simplified FM DM etc to suit consoles, graphics improved etc. WoP was a rushed port of the console version. German cockpits and sounds were already being developed for the consoles by this point.

Robotic Pope 10-22-2010 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by winny (Post 191981)
Just to clear this up..

BoP was a basic port from IL-2 1946, simplified FM DM etc to suit consoles, graphics improved etc. WoP was a rushed port of the console version. German cockpits and sounds were already being developed for the consoles by this point.

Errrm....Winny, Il-2 1946 and BoP (fixed your typo in my quote) are completely different games by differnt developers using a different game engine.

The only thing they have in common is gaijin used oleg maddox' 1946 game flight statistics as a base for how the different planes perform in BoP and even then the translation of the stats between the two games seemed bad (FW190, P-51), every single plane handles differently in both games.

WoP is the PC version of BoP. It would no doubt have been called BoP on PC aswell and published on dvd had 505 games not jumped ship (505 own the BoP game name, Gaijin would have had to pay 505 royalties). By passing the PC software off as a different game they cut 505 out the loop.

winny 10-22-2010 07:15 PM

That's not what Oleg said on the other forum, he said BoP started from a port over of 1946.

The rest is spot on. WoP was a get out of jail name..

Oops on the WoP.. I'll fix it.

Robotic Pope 10-22-2010 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by winny (Post 192050)
That's not what Oleg said on the other forum, he said BoP started from a port over of 1946.

The rest is spot on. WoP was a get out of jail name..

Oops on the WoP.. I'll fix it.

Wasn't hard to find my proof ;)

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Originally Posted by Anton Yudintsev (Post 43610)
It isn't actually a IL2 engine.
We used only flight model and a bit of AI from original IL-2.
IL2 was very good, but is really too old now and completely not multi-platform (is uses Java a lot).



Thanks!




http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...&postcount=132

House MD 221B 10-22-2010 09:44 PM

i love it when "proof" shows up, makes things easy to believe :)


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