Originally Posted by David Hayward (Post 388587)

The Germans had more than enough guns to stop Hitler. There were millions of Germans in the military with enough guns to fight all the way to Moscow. They could have stopped Hitler any time they wanted to. Very few tried.

Originally Posted by nearmiss (Post 388589)

Can you prove that?

Originally Posted by bw_wolverine (Post 388591)

Maybe that would have been better phrased "Not all Germans (or Axis forces) were evil".

I don't like the idea of painting the Nazis as 'well, some were okay'. That's all some people need to justify themselves. I'm pretty sure no one is identifying themselves as one of the 'good' nazis.

Originally Posted by David Hayward (Post 388592)

Prove what? That there were millions of Germans armed to the teeth in the German military? That seems to be pretty self evident.

That very few tried to stop Hitler? Unless there was a giant conspiracy that has been kept secret since WW2, this is also self evident.

Originally Posted by nearmiss (Post 388596)

Nope that is no proof of ability to resist Hitler. Civilians were forbidden to have guns on penalty of death. Many were killed by Gestapo when Hitler issued to order for people to turn in their guns. Just carrying a gun even to turn it in was cause for death by Gestapo.

Originally Posted by nearmiss (Post 388567)

Your little note about Spielberg is really inapproprate at the end of your posting. It's like everything you said relates to his productions. That is entirely out of context.

Spielberg is one of the greatest directors and producers... He marches to his own music, and produces consistent hits that people want to see and appreciate, i.e., Jaws, E-T, Shindler's List, and so on.

The man understand entertainment and you will be entertained when you view any of his works.

He doesn't write the stories, which he has said many, many times. He communicates them in a way that is entertaining.

So, if the story isn't true or he doesn't dig into the historical record to corroborate all claims and lies is that his fault. He is making entertainment. I respect what he does, even if I did think Saving Private Ryan was a corny story that was embellished with the atrocities of war.

Originally Posted by David Hayward (Post 388597)

I'm not talking about the civilians. I'm talking about the millions of Germans in the military. They had more then enough guns to stop Hitler.

Originally Posted by louisv (Post 388601)

There was something on TV the other day, it seems there were a bunch of conspiracies against Hitler from members of the german army, not just the one everybody knows about...