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JG52Uther 12-30-2011 08:18 PM

Black 6 currently resides in the RAF museum at Hendon:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUcENor7X_0

Osprey 12-30-2011 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ElAurens (Post 374893)
I have stood next to a flyable Emil.

It is tiny by any standard, shockingly so. A Spitfire looks big next to it, and a Spit looks small compared to say a P40 or P51.

I don't think so tbh. A 109 is smaller but not by such a difference, and the 40 is a bit bigger than the 51. Put a Spitfire against a P-47 though...... The Jug is a monster!

Richie 12-31-2011 05:00 AM

Every time I looked a picture inside a 109 fuselage or one in any sate of disassemblage I couldn't figure out how it was put out in the grapevine that they were all put together with spit and bailing wire and would fall apart after a few hours. Churchill I think. But for years and years up until I was in my late teens I thought it was the truth. I kind of figured it out that it was just necessary moral boosting propoganda when I got into books about 109s and Spitfires also.

Richie 12-31-2011 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Richie (Post 374981)
Every time I looked a picture inside a 109 fuselage or one in any sate of disassemblage I couldn't figure out how it was put out in the grapevine that they were all put together with spit and bailing wire and would fall apart after a few hours. Churchill I think. But for years and years up until I was in my late teens I thought it was the truth. I kind of figured it out that it was just necessary moral boosting propoganda when I got into books about 109s and Spitfires also.


I saw this program when it aired on Equinox in Canada in the early 90s. It changed my mind forever. Hard to see out of tricky on the ground but I don't think it's going to fall apart after a few hours. Plus this guy has no idea how the canopy works in a bail out. One of the best systems.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eXXC...ature=youtu.be

ElAurens 12-31-2011 01:09 PM

The same situation exists to this day for the Mitsubishi A6M series.

Most people, and especially virtual pilots of the USN persuasion, continue to propagate the myth that the Zero was poorly built. They were actually well built, and had a lot of hand craftsmanship in the airframe.

Their fragility was by design, as it was the only way that the designers could meet the seemingly contradictory specifications laid down by the Imperial Japanese Navy.

That is, 1500 mile range, extreme maneuverability, high rate of climb, cannon armament, and ease of maintenance on board ship, oh, and you only have 1000bhp to work with.

IMHO, the Zero, Spitfire, Bf 109, and P51 were the four most brilliant designs for fighters that came out of WW2.

Each one exceeded the expectations of their respective militarys, and all went on to become legends.

JG52Krupi 12-31-2011 02:24 PM

The Fw 190 deserves a place in that list it was a fantstic aircraft that brought a lot of new designs to the table.

ElAurens 12-31-2011 02:48 PM

Only because it has a lot of cannons...

*Runs for cover.*




:grin:

JG52Krupi 12-31-2011 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ElAurens (Post 375054)
Only because it has a lot of cannons...

*Runs for cover.*




:grin:

Well that :cool: and it use of electrical systems the Engine Control Unit etc... the ideas that Kurt Tank had for the aircraft is mind boggling .

Richie 12-31-2011 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ElAurens (Post 375037)
The same situation exists to this day for the Mitsubishi A6M series.

Most people, and especially virtual pilots of the USN persuasion, continue to propagate the myth that the Zero was poorly built. They were actually well built, and had a lot of hand craftsmanship in the airframe.

Their fragility was by design, as it was the only way that the designers could meet the seemingly contradictory specifications laid down by the Imperial Japanese Navy.

That is, 1500 mile range, extreme maneuverability, high rate of climb, cannon armament, and ease of maintenance on board ship, oh, and you only have 1000bhp to work with.

IMHO, the Zero, Spitfire, Bf 109, and P51 were the four most brilliant designs for fighters that came out of WW2.

Each one exceeded the expectations of their respective militarys, and all went on to become legends.

+1

julien673 12-31-2011 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ElAurens (Post 375037)
IMHO, the Zero, Spitfire, Bf 109, and P51 were the four most brilliant designs for fighters that came out of WW2.

Each one exceeded the expectations of their respective militarys, and all went on to become legends.

Yak 3-9 and la-5 was good to, don t forget propaganda ;). The p51 wasn t that good........


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