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Sutts 02-23-2011 11:49 PM
Must be powder related...here's an MG42 with very clear muzzle flash.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWN7G...eature=related

speculum jockey 02-24-2011 12:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Sutts (Post 227592)
Must be powder related...here's an MG42 with very clear muzzle flash.
It says right there that it's firing blanks. Blanks make huge muzzle flashes.

LukeFF 02-24-2011 01:10 AM
Eh, how about some actual wartime footage?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vE3FWOe0ls

Sternjaeger 02-24-2011 01:20 AM
..some food for thought...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xxj5ON5F-nk

brando 02-24-2011 01:29 AM
How long after it is fired does it take for a tracer round to ignite?

Sternjaeger 02-24-2011 01:35 AM
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Originally Posted by brando (Post 227622)
How long after it is fired does it take for a tracer round to ignite?
as soon as it leaves the muzzle.

Tracers were either ignited by the combustion of the powder or by the contact with air.

Sternjaeger 02-24-2011 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by LukeFF (Post 227615)
Eh, how about some actual wartime footage?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vE3FWOe0ls
that view at 3.50 from the wing while shooting is SO cool! Never seen it before!

swiss 02-24-2011 02:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Sternjaeger (Post 227625)
as soon as it leaves the muzzle.

Tracers were either ignited by the combustion of the powder or by the contact with air.
Contact with air?
How do you wanna do that - create an anaerobe climate inside the cartridge? If so, where do take the oxygen needed for the combustion from?

There is a reason gunpowder has the shape of lil' balls(or cylinders): More space for O2 in between.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Letum 02-24-2011 02:35 AM
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Originally Posted by swiss (Post 227640)
Contact with air?
How do you wanna do that - create an anaerobe climate inside the cartridge? If so, where do take the oxygen needed for the combustion from?

There is a reason gunpowder has the shape of lil' balls(or cylinders): More space for O2 in between.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.
I know nothing about bullets, but I don't see why you can't have an o2 rich propellant chamber whilst still having an airtight tracer round that becomes non-airtight upon ignition of the bullet's propellant.

WTE_Galway 02-24-2011 03:00 AM
http://www.pt103.com/images/Browning...racer_1942.jpg


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