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SEE 01-23-2011 01:59 PM

...and the Merlin sounded so sweet for the entire time of that inverted pass.......you gotta love the Spitty....well I do!

Nicholaiovitch 01-23-2011 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by fruitbat (Post 215587)
thanks for the work on the spits FC99.

particularly like the implementation of Miss Shilling's orifice.

I think they are much better than in 4.09 in general.

look forward to the bug fix patch, to see how that affects things further, particularly the lateral trim issue, affecting the ability to be able to fly hands off in the spits.

+1

Much appreciated response FC99. I would only add that the way the WEP is activated as KWIATEK suggests is not really very real. Better to follow all the other types and have up to 110% boost to cover the WEP and limit it's use before engine problems (realistic engine management) IMHO.

Many thanks for replying and indeed 9 months is a lot of research.

Nicholaiovitch:)

Rainmaker 01-23-2011 02:40 PM

Please make Spitfire wings breakable in high speed dive. And its unrealistic and inpossible to see Spitfire following FW-190 or P-47 or P-51 in the high speed dive without breaking wings. The reason is: Spitfire got HUGE wings and cannons sticking out of it. Also, vertical climb with low speed (~150-160 km/h) without stalling - again inpossible and unrealistic due to the same reason, huge wings and cannons.

Kwiatek 01-23-2011 02:45 PM

Lol you surly dont know that Spits due to thier wing desing had higher mach number reached in dive then even P-51 or P-47 :)

lane 01-23-2011 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Rainmaker (Post 215619)
Please make Spitfire wings breakable in high speed dive. And its unrealistic and inpossible to see Spitfire following FW-190 or P-47 or P-51 in the high speed dive without breaking wings. The reason is: Spitfire got HUGE wings and cannons sticking out of it.

http://www.spitfireperformance.com/sd2011.jpg

Mach .891 ! :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kwiatek (Post 215623)
Lol you surly dont know that Spits due to thier wing desing had higher mach number reached in dive then even P-51 or P-47 :)

;)

fruitbat 01-23-2011 03:13 PM

its not fair, its not fair:-P

nice chart Lane, thanks for posting

lane 01-23-2011 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by fruitbat (Post 215631)
nice chart Lane, thanks for posting

You're welcome, my pleasure :)

To be fair, the Spitfire IX Pilot's Notes restricts diving corresponding to a Mach No. of .85.

swiss 01-23-2011 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Kwiatek (Post 215623)
Lol you surly dont know that Spits due to thier wing desing had higher mach number reached in dive then even P-51 or P-47 :)

Sure, but it takes them forever to build up speed.

Tempest123 01-23-2011 03:45 PM

Some spits in Italy, notice the absence of yellow flames when the cannons are fired at 1:22, only gun smoke.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V28M9Wo2iX0

badatflyski 01-23-2011 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by FC99 (Post 215565)
Hi mate,
1. Irrelevant
2. 4.11 , that and some other things too ;)

hey FC, nice to see(read) you again.
1°how "irrelevant"?
from what i found in the the engine class in the 409, the carburattor
didn't allow for a fast RPM recovery and especially did
made loose the engine it's RPM's.
Did something changed in the 410,hein?

2° Tell me , tell me (PM is open;) )

Anyway, the throttle idea is a very good idea for the 190 (how to highjack a thread)
Using 1.0001 on the boost factor with automaticaly activating the start/notleistung
as in the P47 with it's waterinjection through the class file.
The Boost "button" would be used for the Ernhohte notleistung (C3 einzprits) in it's
2 different versions, jabo and standard fighter 1.65+1.78+1.82atea (depending on period)


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Originally Posted by Kwiatek (Post 215623)
Lol you surly dont know that Spits due to thier wing desing had higher mach number reached in dive then even P-51 or P-47 :)

And if the pitot was placed on the nose the numbers would be very different.;)

the same could be said about the anton or the dora, when Mister Tank tested an A7 in a dive from 1OK
and set it straight at 6K with a speed of 950km TAS (calculated from the IAS) without any structural
failures or even small cracking noises.
But were those numbers exact?due to the pitot positionning (in the spit or in the 190)the errors get almost squared with speed increasing.

so when talking about Mach numbers into the transonnic area those numbers can't be taken seriousely.:grin:


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