i vote for a placebo patch every friday

make it 3gb and say it changes colour and slight touches in the fm

Saturday May 05 update by BlackSix:

"The bugs (n-1) are still present ... We hate it more than you guys ..."

Be sure :)

I've done it so many times that my finger hurts me now :grin:

got link?

Link to the future? You shouldn't look into your crystal ball for too long maybe ;)

I thought you might provide the link from your own crystal ball?

+1

There's a touch of brilliance in your post, Raaaid! LOL

That's actually a good idea. Brilliant idea! Could be a study for school.

Could even work a Pavlovian study into this thing. How many keyboards needed replacing because of patch-drooling? On Fridays vs other days of the week? LOL

BlackSix No Friday Update 4 May
 

Hi just in case you don't know B6 has posted on the Fresh Stuff From sukhoi.ru thread

About Friday Update:
We will work on Saturday and I think what I'll have some news tomorrow. Maybe. I hope)

The shame and dishonor for the dev's at 1C must be too much to bear. :evil:

Just tried the placebo 3gb patch and the colours are all wrong and the new FM's are porked. :grin:

I mapped F5 to a HOTASS Slider ;)

Thx for the info.

somewhere RBJ just had a cold shiver, like someone walked over his grave.....

Mr Mono brow himself.

http://images.google.de/imgres?q=sup...9,r:4,s:0,i:79


:)




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And two more posts on the topic:

Alexander

:grin:

Lets see what tomorrow brings then.

Here is the info you need.

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthr...28174&page=120

I wonder where he is now? :grin:

last time i saw him post was over at ubi just after BG passed in his memorial thread.

wherever he is, you can bet he still has trim on a slider;)

lol

Supah Greg!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-YIRS0lS-w

My hand stucked... I can't get it off F5 button...will keep pressing it until next Friday.

Forgive me, but is it hard to wait until the 19:00 before opening a new thread? :grin:

People, be patients! :)

Thanks for the heads up!

~S~

Damn, if you are so update-hungry...

!!Click here!! :rolleyes:

Now that brings back memories... ALL BAD! ;)

Ok, now everybody can open new threads about the Friday Update... :-P

the suspense is killing me!!!

Can i open a thread called "where is the Saturday update?" :grin:

You mean "where's the patch" ;)

Here is a simple work around in the mean time

Not sure what everyone is getting exited about when they are only going to give you an update on the bugs they were working on last week. The only time I will jump for joy is when they actually release a patch.

I hear it should be ready by at least 2015 ;)

Don't joke it could be true:(

It is quite strange behavior..

Considering the bugs that have popped up and a couple of them have been showing their ugly heads for a while now id say it isn't anywhere near finished yet.. certainly not within the next month or so

i think your being overly optimistic Jamz. ----no smiley----

Silverio

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20wTYxYCy9Y

Considering that 6 months ago there was only one major bug, something to do with the decals, which when fixed caused a far worse bug 'particles causing slowdown' which when fixed caused even more major bugs, one could be forgiven for wondering if fixing all these will create multiple major bugs as that seems to be the current trend.

You mean they should follow the principle of not fixing what is not broke?
:cool:
Seems not to be that easy. I don´t think they are all nerds. But it is no wonder one gets impatient after that long time.

If only they could give a time when all this will be fixed, it would save me coming to these forums and seeing all the depressing treads and pointless votes. We should all be talking about the game by now and the enjoyment we are having aside from a few minor bugs. To me this whole forum looks like people have run out of ideas as to what to write. You don't ask about the patch because you are jumped upon and insulted, but really there isn't alot else to talk about here.

No update huh.....

Is this thing broken beyond repair? When the game came out i already had my doubts about the engine and voila here we are still wondering what went wrong.

This patch better be betterthen expected else im gonna compare this situation with Greece and we all know what that means...

it's going to get an EU bailot and have a puppet government installed?

Hey mate,don't blame the devs for taking up your valuable time,coming to these forums is of your own making friend:)lol

I come here to see if there is any news on the patch, after all it's anyone's guess when they are going to release it. If I knew it was 2 months away I would check into the forums then.

Isn't there an email system that alerts you to when the beta patch is out because I'll take that.

Actually it would be good to receive a text message on your phone when the patch is out. Would save a lot of F5 pressing.

It'll be ready when it is ready.... constant whinging won't get it here any sooner

2 month isn't such a bad guess. About 6 months in my opinion.

If only..

But sadly that is not how it goes with complex software sometimes

Maybe an analogy will help?

What your asking the devs to do is tell us NOW, how lost their car keys are before they found their car keys

Problem is you don't know how lost your car keys are until you find your car keys

For example..

The last thing we want the programer to do is spend 'time' doing a write up AFTER he finds his keys telling us, in great detail, about all the places he looked for his keys before he found his keys!

What we do want the programer to do is move onto the next bug as soon as he finds his keys

Where did you get that code snipet from Farber?

I vote for option 1. (Hmmm maybe this should be a poll?)

And I, for one, am very grateful for any information given.

Keep up the good work! I’m looking forward to future updates and the sequel in development!

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_1c6uKfrEfj...e_facepalm.jpg

That double facepalm picture is looking hilarious. Thanks for posting. :D

Looking forward to the announcements in the coming next week. I hope the Su26 will be part of it :P

Well i think double facepalm work good too for 1C FM's :P


Well if 1C would clarify FM&performace subcject and would inform us what they are planning to do and what bug and errors are known i think any facepalm would be not nessesery for any side.

A "common question" is something that keeps popping up all of the time and one that could do with an answer. All of the questions I have seen in this thread are the ones most commonly mentioned in this forum. Maybe you should draw up a list of what we can talk about and what we cannot talk about. Clearly some people don't understand what you mean when you say "answers to common questions" and then reply like you have done above.

No BlackSix, I think you've got it wrong.

I think Luthier is Alexander

I think you are Sergei

...and we are the crowd......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkdDO...layer_embedded

I expect I'll get an off-topic infraction for that.

You may need 'Alexander' to translate :)

+1 as it does make a big differance

+1

"Lower level clouds are back" does mean that the clouds we have now in CloD are definitive? The same from IL2?
This is not an answer at all.

I'm asking for an improvement (if will never have it) in the cloud shapes with DX10, after 11 years from IL2 release......

Thank for the link Jumo.

I don't like it at all, and for my opinion is still the worst landscape ever seen for England......but this is probably due only to my low PC. However the game is still so crude that it doesn't deserve at all to waste money in a new PC when all the other sim (RoF & DCS) run perfectly also with high graphic setting.

Fantastic! It's needed badly.

I can't help myself but I highly suspect that there will be no compatibility of CloD and the sequel anymore. :(

Based on what?
They have said many times, that alot will be fixed in the sequel witch allso fix issus in CLOD. Im pretty shure there will be alot of improvement that effect CLOD in the furture due the sequels. But CLOD as a standolone will be left not finalized, but flyable.

Well solved could mean a number of things, like perhaps multiplayer will be on their own servers (ie MMO) :)

Just saying...

I think it's a new game that is being written, with models and maps from the COD game, but I would hazard a guess that it is installed on top of the existing one anyway. That explains why this is taking so long and why some things will be missed out on COD. If you are expecting everything in COD to be fixed standalone I don't expect that, and that's no different to the first IL2 - you had to buy sequels for changes and more kit regardless of what you thought of the first game + patches.

We know that the netcode sucks, it's refreshing to know that it was ripped up and started again. I just hope that it's not going to suck like the current one does :rolleyes: I feel burned, personally, so I'll definitely wait to see the response of the community before buying the sequel. I'm not going through this again.

agreed

Yeah I think you are probably right ... But more importantly, I hope you are right

Be happy...always sunshine is so great, much better than overcast rainy stormy days :)

well.... like always we are in the cloud :)

it is sad that B6 ha not the permission to speak about the sequel.

it is strange that the fact that the sequel will be able to merge with CLOD is not confirmed. because it will be logical that it will.

the lack of communication (i blame here the dev team and not B6) is still so bad. i just hope the sequel will really do all promise make.

because like it start, the sequell will more be a patch to pay that an real sequel.

i still believe in CLOD. i want to believe. but if the sequel suffer problem at his release that is certainly the dead of this sim.

i hope the dev team will understand that comm is important and more important when a sim a such problem that CLOD.

please don't make us regret to give you are trust. it is all i ask.

now time will show us the result.

No more fixes ? Goodbye features (weather and so ) ? Way out is there please and no money for 1C !

...and make the bomber pilot population even smaller? :confused:

+1 :cool:

It is a huge leap of faith BOM is even released.

If the sequel is to be a stand alone game, and CLoD is left to wither and die, I'd regard that as an absolute breach of faith on the part of the Development Team. I personally have no objection to paying to use new aircraft or, if it comes to that, paying for the right to 'transfer' to a different front. If that's what it takes to keep the game viable then OK, I'll go along with it. However, I would certainly feel cheated if the existing game was simply cut loose and abandoned to its fate . Members of the IL-2 community have invested far too much for that to happen. If the DT were to simply abandon the game, I think there is likely to be a very significant decline in community trust and goodwill.

Don't worry guys Cliffs of Dover is the same upgrades, just like all occurred when IL2 Sturmovik first came out and received core engine upgrades.

Same goes for Cliffs of Dover. I remember Oleg said it and Luthier said it.

I think the reputation of CloD is now so poisonous that it would be better for 1C to put as much distance between BoM and CloD as possible. A simple statement that CloD is finished would probably be for the best, accompanied by a radically different branding for BoM. The current state of play is not doing 1C's reputation any good at all and a clean break would at least give them a chance to put it behind them as a noble failure and move on to something more worthwhile. A clean break might also give them the chance to make any necessary personnel changes.

Just fix this bugged and unfinished engine and call this the way 1C want.

Simples as that.

If they were going to go with a whole new game engine then sure, but if they are going to use the core of CloD on a sequel it would be IMHO irresponsible to fix things in the sequel and not patch CloD as well, even if its after the release of the sequel, now I am not talking about playability issues, those MUST be fixed before the sequel, but things like net code, additions like weather... they should all be added to CloD if they are made to work in the sequel as well... abandoning CloD and pretending it doesnt exist would only leave the devs with a very deep scar that would follow them for years to come...

Of course now we drift off topic, and we should be focused on getting CloD to the level it needs to be to move forward...

Personally I think most people understand the difficulties of the development and would hold no grudge if COD were fixed either thru patches until the Sequel is released, and most importantly that COD were merge-able with future Sequels so COD would benefit from any advancements in AI, Commands, FM, DM, Weather/Clouds, new features, optimizations, etc.

+1

Bravo!

I couldn't say it better.

i juste hope this time when the sequel will be release we will pay a real sim and not a beta like cliffs of dover was.

hope that it will be the last time we have to pay 2 times a game to have a release version of it.

hope that my trust in CLOD won't be betray.

now i really like to have some news from the dev about something (even a picture of new color cow.) because we are already so frustrated to let us in the cloud of info.

I have heard it all now... :rolleyes:

+1
Clod is still the very best available, for people to enjoy WWII air combat:)

Best available does not make CLoD a quality product. There is very little to be excited about here if you are a fan of WW2 combat sims. Remember, BOM, if it ever gets here, will be brought to you by the same team responsible for CLoD...and how did that work out? Considering how long it took the developers to deliver CLoD to our front doors, and then ring the bell and run, we will wait a very long time for another half-baked sim and then it will take months or years to get it right. CLoD is IC's case study on how they bring games to market and support them. Most will hold on to their wallets this time and that will be the end of the IL2 franchise. Sad.

What is also sad is that the $50. is only worth 8.4 meals for one, at the McDonald's franchise.:)

There are two issues. Or parts if you want to follow the structure of the CoD installation parts folders.

One is the core content which should benefit CoD even if we have to wait for BoM and merge it because it should have the same core structure. This is where 1C seem to be spending almost all of their efforts.

The other is the much less complex issue of CoD content, or bob as it is in the file structure. These things are not difficult to fix, primarily FMs and DMs i.e. the objects unique to bob/CoD.
Look at the bob folder .SFS files.
3do - not sure what this is. 3d models with DM modules?
buildings - who really cares at this stage?
ground - ditto
humans - ditto
maps - they've already told us the map won't be changed and its acceptable
plane - MOST important. The FMs are way off and DMs are not all ok (flaming flying 109s)
speech - who cares
and so on.
I don't know what the other files are for but you can see where I'm going. We have an environment which could probably be left alone and a core game that will be fixed. However, we have CoD/bob aircraft that badly need fixing.

If 1C don't deliver on the CoD/bob content (i.e. aircraft that fly as they should) they will have failed miserably for the sake of a minimal amount of work. It will remain laughable as a representation of the BoB and for what? Remember, almost all of the fixes needed are core fixes not CoD/bob fixes.

CoD, or SOW-BoB was to have been the jewel in Oleg Maddox's new flight combat simulation. That's why it was never allowed in IL-2 '46. It was the iconic air battle, the almost set piece of the Douhet theories and with only one other Victory-by-Air battle like it, Malta. The pacific battles needed air power but were not of the same nature.

If such simple fixes are ignored and the iconic air battle of the war is left in the mud the reputation of CoD and 1C will be more than poisonous.

IMHO of course.

when i read these 20 pages and all the words and discussions to come, i can only conclude what i and others said months ago, and believe me i was living in hope for 5-6 years,but this is my personal opinion ( so i won't go into any discussion):
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/l...ooo/kruis5.jpg
very, very, very pitty indeed, what a wasted potential.
I wish you all the best
Over and out
Sincerely
Tigertooo

you demand best yet look at your system

you too

[QUOTE=Abbeville-Boy;457587]you demand best yet look at your system

I have no idea what you mean???

Here you go..and a bonus...

[QUOTE=smink1701;457599]
He means that he thinks your computer is too slow to run CLOD well...
Personally I think your system is not bad at all.

Maybe if I were you i would overclock the CPU (+CPU cooler) and a Nvidia GTX670. Then your system will be up to date again! ;)

This is going to knock you over, Lobi... but I totally agree :grin:


With every iteration of the original il2 series, came further advancements and capability.


For those whow would... please don't start the hassling for the "get the new product out asap/ I would pay whatever to see it here". Don't bring those pressures to bear - look what happened last time.

My guess is that they are working flat out on the BOM and have a hampster in a little cage working on CLOD.
They need an income and the only way to get it is to have another product that will hopefully get great reviews and sell well thus saving the company.

B.O.M. = B.etter than O.ur last M.other---

I agree. This is precisely what is happening. They made a mistake and are now trying to repair that mistake.
They have to get money to make the game so they make a new add on to get it and fix the old problems along with it. I think it's going to be just fine. Even for the CloD. You act here like the game is the shittiest peace of grab ever and that is not true. Planes are flyable and I'm flying almost every day on ATAG server. True everything is not perfect but so what? Give an example of a better WW2 flight simulator than this.

Looking at the comments on this forum makes it feel like the game would be not even playable witch is just not true, so stop whining because it's not exactly what you wanted.

They will not change it, true (no time)...so I hope future arrangements will take place...but acceptable? The French side is an abomination in so many ways that would take too much time to mention again (see former posts of mine)....