The patch needs a kick start..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XW4DP...eature=related



Breast Regards,
MB_Avro.

Bongodriver said:

>>Nett effect of all this is just damaging to the game (I believe it's the intention) this couldn't have been illustrated more clearly by the recent moronic and fake 'Black Six' post, there is no denying there are people out there hell bent on causing damage to this game and that is what I want to counter. <<

I agree with this. I also believe you are absolutely the person to do it.

I know it may sound a bit over-cooked but if there's one post that encapsulates a sense of decorum and civility, this is surely it. I would go one step further, if I may be allowed, and say that it is posts like this that allow me to sleep in my 'virtual bed' (metaphorically speaking) at night, knowing that the forum is being monitored and patrolled effectively, by those with the best interests of the game at heart.

This is to be applauded by both devs and forum members alike.

Awwww......all my hopes shattered....it's sarcasm, damned hangover has made me slow.

Not a bit of it. I think turning over a new leaf is the right thing to do, and perhaps putting some new roots down and reaching out an olive branch to certain members is the way forward. I would add some 'blue sky thinking' but that might go a bit too far and come across as a cliche.

Please ignore my earlier and more critical comments.

oh i didnt get the sarcasm though find it a suprising assesment

Workday today in Russia
 

But when those holidays starts?

I hope we get beta before holidays.

Kankki

+1

Wouldn't bet on it... But trying to be positive the fact that we got no update yesterday may gave been because they feel they are really close, but of course could not post that as that would have been noted as a promise ;) Or maybe they are just fed up with the community and has left for the datchas already...

/mazex

Tomorrow. 29ap, 30ap, 1 may - is a holidays.

Saturday, 5 may - working day.
6,7,8,9 may - is a holidays, We celebrate Victory Day.

Saturday, 12 may - working day.

Thanks, so if no patch today, not before wednesday :(

add to it a new internal beta test that won't be publicized this time

Falstaff,

now i become really afraid.
Your posts used to make my toenails curl and now i'm getting a warm and cosy feeling.

Robtek, no need. We like warm and cosy.

I had a dream last night. Seriously. That the world could be one. That a little love and forgiveness could go a long way, if allowed. That this forum has more good in it than bad. That this is a good place to start.

I would like to offer my sincere apologies or condolences to Ace-of-aces, Carguy, David Hayward, Bongodriver, Wolf Rider, Robtek (and others) regarding previous comments I may have made, and any suggestion that they have posted with less than absolute integrity or authority.

I have since realised they have the best and most honourable intentions of the game at heart, and provide a valuable sservice in ring-fencing the devs from the more immature and ill-considered elements. For that, I thank you and them.

In fact, the mods could do worse than swell their ranks with the above-named people as moderators. That would truly ensure a happy ship.

We must all realise that a good game, like a fine whine, takes time to mature, and we should aid and not hinder the process.

I will try not to post as much in future. I realise I have been posting rather a lot (and am feeling a little unwell lately)

humm i wonder if the 1111 post will be on 111 page

you gotta check that poster guy

Ok, imposter - what have you done with Falstaff? 'Invasion of the Bodysnatchers'....

Puberty? ;)

No....Bad ACE.....just.....No

My balls tell it is not coming today and we'll have a couple more days for outdoor fun:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxpWp...endscreen&NR=1

What can I say..

It's a gift! ;)

Ace-of-aces said:

>>What can I say..

It's a gift!:) <<

You are so right there. And one we can all enjoy together.

Ataros said:

>>My balls tell it is not coming today and we'll have a couple more days for outdoor fun:<<

My balls tell too. I think you must be right.

Which is nice for everyone.

Puberty? ;)

Wow. Lots of holidays over there.

Ataros's balls were right, dawn of a new prophet.

Tree is dead long live Ataros.

+1

IL-2 Cliffs of Alamo..
 

..AKA the last stand of denial..

I come back regularly just to see if there's any patch update (or better,what's the excuse this time around),and all I can find is good people getting banned
and trolls left to roam free all over te place.

Even the few interesting posts that come up every now and then he regularly trashed by the few usual suspects. I frequent other forums as well,but it's only in this one that I see so much arrogance,aggressiveness and self-importance. I suppose the only thing this forum doesn't have as opposed to others is something to actually talk about...

What are we now,a year since the original release and we're still waiting for two weeks' time for the patch? Get a grip..

You've got to be kidding me. (I had a swear word in there too).

The trolls are just good people that get banned for no real reason in the first place.

+1

that gives them time to plan the next war...

Remember when people would come here to get away from the zoo that was the Ubiforums? LOL, now people go there for peace.

Thank god they plan them unlike some others..

Smart move! War is good for the economy if you do it right!
Very practical these Russians.

True enough I'm disappointed with the current game and uncertain about the future of the series. I can deal with it though. More disappointing however, is that I feel I am beginning to hate this community.

Physician, heal thyself...

Same here.

Ace-of-aces said:

>>+1 <<

Quoted for truth

Bingo!

David Hayward said:

>I feel I am beginning to hate this community<

>>Same here.<<

Agreed. It seems the few are spoiling it for the many, but it would be a shame if you felt upset on account for a few bag eggs at the bottom of the barrel that is itself all at sea.

I have always found you posts insighful and respectful and with a certain no-nonsense logic that is to be fiercely admired and equally fiercely defended, and this place has always been one of the last bastions of commonsense. Please do not be down-hearted on account of a few trolls. Take pride in the fact that your own posts have always scupulously avoided unnecessary wrangles and 'score-settling' and have always 'risen above it' so to speak.

Ben,

even bad eggs can float to the top, you are beginning to show this process through you newly found 'inner peace'

Thank you for the compliment, and for your continued understanding. It means much to me.

Yours and Daid Hayward's posts always seem to contain an equilibrium and a generous view of humanity to me, and set an example well worth following.

..excuse me, I have to attend church service now....then a raffle and tombola for the local elderly society. I am worried, however, that the local garden fete may suffer in this weather..

Oh please wrap up warm now, I will be really worried all day now thinking I never made sure you are wearing a scarf.

The biggest problem on this forum at the moment is the continual hijacking of multiple threads by a small number of people who use them solely as vehicles for their own point-scoring. I make no distinction between the 'pro' and 'anti' groupings here - it takes two sides to maintain an argument.

But their stubborness and inability to realise that each side is entitled to hold THEIR OWN opinion continues to result in the disfigurement and spamming of interesting or useful threads with rubbish.

Also, for the moderators - quoting from the Official Rules:
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...90&postcount=1

"Violations of the following 22 rules are prohibited.
...
...
10. Off topic discussion - in full or in part. Purposeful and/ or continuous off topic discussion. Threads that promote discussion of competitor game products is Off Topic discussion."

A fine example is the immediately preceding posts to this one - nothing at all to do with Sternjaeger's initial post, just the same verbal jousting (polite description) that is choking every topic here like overgrowing weeds.

Me too.

Falstaff, you're the best :-)

Quoted for truth.

You know, I want accurate flight models and aircraft performance, more content and better performance as much as the next guy, but CLoD a joke? Not to me.

What I find is that, apart from show stopping technical issues which have generally been resolved already, inaccurate and unrealistic details like no 100 octane, sometimes bizarre CEM behaviour (apparently oil temperatures change more quickly than water temperatures), flight models not matching real world performance etc actually don't really detract too much from my overall experience.

Does it bother me that hurricanes are better performers than early spits in CLOD, that the spit IIa is without peer, that the G.50 is a brick and that the 109 is a bit too strong against most RAF aircraft? Yeah sure.

But does it really make a marked impact on my overall flying experience if I look past the fact that the performance differences I am learning to use are different to the real world ones? Not particularly.

Maybe its all in approach, but to me, the real pilots had more cause to complain yet still went up even in markedly inferior planes. At the end of the day I'm still just picking an aircraft, going up with its limitations (as found in the sim) in mind and doing the best I can, knowing that my skill is still undoubtedly the most important limiting factor. While doing so, I am still enjoying an outstandingly beautiful game, a wonderfully complex flight, damage and engine management model and some wonderfully immersive online (and even offline, with the right missions) gameplay. I enjoy it so much, that many times I do nothing more than take an aircraft on a cruise through an empty offline map for as long as 1 to 2 hours.

I think its important to step back and ask yourself why you play a combat sim. Many will say "to simulate reality" and for some this is undoubtedly the aim, although these people generally use more detailed simulators. For most, however, I think this is not the true reason.

Personally, I think I play sims because what I am really looking for is the complexity, detail and immersion that only reality, and portrayals of reality, can provide (without actually having to do the associated real world activity). I play many kinds of games - first person shooters, space games, etc. And what I notice is that there is a definite split in most of them between 'arcade' or 'fun' focus and 'simulation' or 'complexity' focus. I do not believe this is because most games and their subjects naturally fall into these categories. Rather, I think that it is the limited imagination and difficulty in justifying complexity in fictional games - and the acceptance and relative ease of justifying complexity and challenge in simulators of real world phenomena - that defines the split.

I know I would very much appreciate a space sim like X3 with the physics and damage modelling of CLoD. But because we have never been in space, and no developer can imagine such complex and futuristic machines for a space game, we do not have a game with very detailed damage models for space ships. It is of course possible - you only need to look at things like Orbiter, or the detail and love with which star wars game worlds are crafted to know that it can be done for a vehicle too. But so far, no one has seen fit to make a simulator of a vehicle that does not actually exist. And that, to me, is a shame. Because the real reason I play sims is because nothing else can feed my mind with such beautiful complexity.

And I think this is ultimately what matters. Yes, the game has problems. But isn't it testament in itself that it is not a 'joke' that so many no longer wish to go back to once perfectly serviceable sims like IL2 1946?

Bongodriver said:

>>Oh please wrap up warm now, I will be really worried all day now thinking I never made sure you are wearing a scarf. <<

Thank you for your consideration.

And please wrap up yourself.

it's ok Ben, I'm indoors all day and the heating is on.

Good. We wouldn't want that great mind - never mind the reciprocal wit - to go cold.

Have your thought of publishing your thoughts, specifically those on this forum? I believe Random Cottage are still in business?

I hadn't, but I realise I'm nothing without you.

Oh sweet Irony

Sad but I feel it too, I've been here since these boards were made but changed my name a few times to escape the sort of crap that is going on here, same as it did on the IL2 sub forum too. Same people doing the here too.

Gold star if anyone spots the mistake along with the hipocrisy.

Making mocking posts on a public forum and crying foul when others do the same?

Again, I have no quarrel with either of you but you've now taken this to three or four threads simultaneously. It was funny initially, but now my only response to "your" asking people to adjudicate is incredulity.

Bongodriver said:

>>Gold star if anyone spots the mistake along with the hipocrisy. <<

I am sure this message cannot be aimed at me. I have faith that all your (bases belong to me) messages are equally good-natured, and this is a temporary aberration. I am sure it is, in fact.

Now I must retire for the time being. This forum seems to have regained its happiness and bonhomie, and that in large part must be down to you, Bongodriver, and your relentless pursuit of happiness.

For some reason the letter Y has just popped into my head (I am not sure why).

yet again my retardation lets me down, thank you ben.

What's wrong with you kendo65? This is banana, no one is entitled to their own opinion here, especially one that differs from the self proclaimed righteous "inner circle", you should know that by now, geeez! Get with the "party program" and start agreeing like everybody else.:rolleyes:

P.S Look at Falstaff, his conversion is going great! Use him as an example and soon you'll have more "friends" then "non-friends".

Aren`t the threads/posts talking about DCS/RoF the whinge threads/posts?Who goes off topic by the looks of this ? :
10. Off topic discussion - in full or in part. Purposeful and/ or continuous off topic discussion. Threads that promote discussion of competitor game products is Off Topic discussion."

funny how to me you're among the ones that exactly fall into the aforementioned category, although your posts are probably just because you just don't like me, but hey, "can't please everyone!" they say :rolleyes:

I find myself agreeing with Kendo65 and Feathered IV here, this place could have been such a fantastic opportunity for community help and support, but if anything we have exactly the opposite. What made me think of it is the last examples of newbies (alleged or not, it doesn't matter) who voiced their opinion and disappointment and were so stupidly attacked and accused of god knows what. I mean, stop for a second about it: if these folks are indeed real newbies (or if other newcomers read your reactions), what kind of image do you think they would get from this?! My whole Alamo point is that there's a bunch of fanatics sitting on top of a bare mountain with NOTHING in their hands but promises, and instead of reaching out and saying "hey, we know it's been an endless joke this patch thing, but please have faith, it will be marvellous and the best combat sim ever!" they just spew out all their resentment and anger blaming people that complain along the lines of "hey guys, sorry to bring this up but it kinda feels like we've been ripped off!" for the failure of CoD. They don't blame the devs for their appalling lack of management, but the folks that used their honestly earned money to buy a produce that will never be. Because let's be honest, CoD per se is a failure: an incomplete sim which worked as a HUGE beta for devs, (and mind you, they still talk about beta patch release!) who racked up on useful info and have started developing something else.

Battle of Moscow will surely be a more refined product, which will still bring with itself all the incompetence of the managerial line of 1C/Maddox Games unfortunately, but which surely will make treasure of all the learning curve of CoD.

And hey, again I'm sorry if my opinion upsets someone, but if you aren't mature enough to take a critique and ask mods to ban negative comments and people who made them, then you'd better shut this place down and thinking about what the hell went wrong down the line fellas.

Hi Stern,

All good points and a very level headed way to see things, but it is still slightly naive.

it's funny how the newbies alway seem to join immediately after recent bannings, uncanny how they often have buzz phrases 'like it's been over a year now this is a joke'....a genuine newbie might be somewhat less bothered having purchased the sim for about $10 , theres always another way to see things.

yeah but it still remains that if an actual newbie reads the way people are treated here, he will be like "the hell with these delusional nerds, I'm outta here" and will put the game on the shelf.

And it's not just about delusion or being a nerd/fanboi or whatever, it's about being selfish: some folks here really think that for some reason they're entitled to know better than others what's right or wrong about this sim, looking at minuscule details to avoid realising the biggest, dramatic picture; they're happy if people leaves, so that they can be the undiscussed kings of this mountain of rubbish. Happy for people to leave! Can you imagine anything more counterproductive for a niche product like this?!

It's sad, I'm sure that all that energy could be channeled along better routes, but for some odd reason being aggressive on a forum is so much easier and rewarding for these individuals..

It is. Just look in the technical/performance/gameplay sections and you'll find plenty of help and support.

As far as the game itself is concerned, patch or no patch, online play can be terrific. Ditto designing your own missions/campaigns in FMB.

Sure the Launcher crashes are there online, but all you do is clear the cache and jump back in.

We'd all like to see the patch released for a lot of reasons, but the idea that the game is useless without it is just plain wrong.

But one thing's for sure, you won't find help and support for your gaming needs by lurking in the Pilot's Lounge.

Whats even funnier is they, with thier new handles, really thing they are fooling people

Most of them were actually spare accounts of banned members who stated thet they would not return. But they have returned like they always do. For a good whinge.


While the mods probably try to keep this place going, it is not hard enough. Always two-three spamming negative threads follow a dev update but nor they nor the users that created them get infractions. Some of the mods have an ignore list so they don`t see any of the spam posts. They are probably ignoring the user reports aswell.

A forum filled with uninhibited slander/complaining/whining/other forms of malice, or would you say that these things are not happening? is jumping onto the 'soap box' and shouting at 'everyone' that because you consider the game doomed and <insert criticism od choice> not selfish?

I just hope you are including both sides of the fence to this statement.

Agreed 100%

I might add I just served my 2 month ban for being an 'uberfanboi'.....didn't notice rallies of support over it.

Wondered where you'd been. Welcome back mate! :grin:

No mod has an ignore list. The ignore list function is there for forum members to ignore posts from people they don't want to read.
Don't like someone, or don't want to read their posts, you have the option to put them on your ignore list, or, you can have a pointless, embarrassing multi page argument with them online for all to see, and probably get yourself on somebody elses ignore list.
Members can work towards turning the forum in to a nice place to hang out, and share their love of the game, or they can work against it, and drag the forum down with constant arguments. It takes two people to have an argument.

Thanks Dutch...:grin:

oh don't get me wrong, I like that a lot, it's strong and going, but it doesn't change the scenario that we're in. Sometimes I wonder if it would be worth closing the general thread page until things are sorted out.

As for the pilot's lounge, seeking help there is not the way to go, if people think of it as a solution they're fools.

I personally like the fact that there's still a lot that comes out and can be shared in the pilot's lounge.

Am I flying CoD at the moment? No. It's not performing well enough on my machine, and I still feel like the issues that will soon be addressed with the patch might take me back to it, but until then no, I've spent too much looking at that icon on the desktop wondering what was worse, not having the sim or having it and it doesnt work for you..

After exactly one such 'debate' - 15 pages in fact - I saw the light of the ignore list too. Inane remarks and quips are so much less offensive when you don't have to see them unless you choose to, even if that is ultimately a sign of lacking self control. But then we're only human, most of us are not immune to feigned ignorance and offensive remarks.

yeah, this is an observation referred to ALL of us. I don't believe in the fanboy/whiner division, I just think people have different thresholds of "not feeling someone's taking the pi$$ on me", that's it. It's not like we're not all fans, we wouldn't be here, it's that some of us have waited for far too long after far too many promises.

yeah, wondered where you've been lately, place ain't the same without you! But then I thought you needed a bit of a break like I felt I did.. if only it wasn't for those Friday updates ;)

Believe it or not I can sympathise 100% with that sentiment, I never mean to deny these beliefs or their individual validity, youv'e lost faith and thats entirely your decision.......I don't believe in god but I'm not going to crash my local church and shout 'why am I forsaken?' and tell everyone they are just stupid 'god fanbois'.

Nobody even visited me in prison :(

You didn't get the cake I sent you?

You know

The one with the F I L E in it?

Guess the guards found it first? ;)

Oh crap! is that what was in there......it's just as I was being released some guy in a tutu and leather called Tree was just being interned, he looked so sad I gave him the cake.

The reality we have is that some people feel unhappy with the game or aspects of it and feel the need to say so. Other people either are content with the game or resent the sometimes aggressive tone of the complaints.

Honestly, I can see both sides of the argument.

But in all the months it has been raging where has the arguing got anyone? I'm not aware of anyone from either camp having a blinding flash of insight at the outstanding argument put up by the other side, seeing the error of his ways and changing his opinion. Instead it just goes round and round, like goldfish in a tank - apparently unaware that they did exactly the same thing 3 days ago, 2 weeks ago, 4 months ago...

The thing I'd like ALL those who are arguing to realise is that THEY are the ones who are doing most to damage this forum and the game at the present time. It has got totally out of hand - so many threads are being hijacked to provide a vehicle for the point-scoring and one-upmanship. What you - ALL of you - are doing is annoying other forum users and turning them off even wanting to come here.



Two points for the mods. I have started using the ignore list, but

1. It doesn't work unless you are logged in. I usually only log in when I want to post, so it's not always effective.

2. It seems a little unfair to expect two or three hundred other forum users to have to change how they use the forum rather than the six or seven people who cause the problem.

Bongodriver said:

>>Believe it or not I can sympathise 100% with that sentiment,<<

I believe you.

>> I never mean to deny these beliefs or their individual validity, youv'e lost faith and thats entirely your decision.......<<

Of course. You would never deny these beliefs or their individual validity (could I perhaps borrow these words for a Sunday sermon? They have an evangelical zeal which goes straight to the heart of the subject, and a sincerity which is hard to match. Almost divine, in fact.)

>>I don't believe in god but I'm not going to crash my local church and shout 'why am I forsaken?' and tell everyone they are just stupid 'god fanbois'.<<

Of course not, though perhaps you might consider it at a later date? It is best not to rule out a Plan B, since as even the best and most morally crusading of posters such as yourself sometimes do. It is hard repelling the invading hoards, and a back-up plan can come in very useful.

Either way, it is refreshing to see such a candid and honest post and poster, who is utterly free of malice or malicious intent in every regard. Please keep up the good work.

Will you be making a full time hobby of this Ben?

Not any more.

teehehe ;)

Bongo I really thought for a moment you had a proper fan there :mrgreen:

we're do they give the mushrooms??

+1. This forum was always rather bad. Now it's a complete joke.

Aaaw, come on now Jaws. Just do like the rest if us, stand in line and smile and soon you'll have friends you never knew could be your friends. This place is great, you don't have to think for yourself anymore, there are better suited "people" that does that for you. Welcome to the new "happier" forum.:grin:

How major are the bugs they have mentioned?
 

Blacksix>>I believe however that, rather than presenting ourselves as a team that releases half-finished patches with lots of graphic issues, we should work very hard on building the reputation for making things right, the first time, however long it takes.<<

I don't want to come over as sounding inpatient because that isn't the case, but does the above statement mean the patch could be months away or even years? I don't mind the wait if that's what we are told and that's what gets the game fixed, but to say: "However long it takes" could actually mean a very very long time. I like honesty and I am pleased we have been told about the problems they are having.. However, I feel what's missing in this statement is how major these bugs actually are.

I guess that the answer to the question is that they don't really know themselves. The fixes may be relatively easy or require major reworks and add to that the fact that fixing one thing can break another. (n.b- this is based on what I've read about software development, I wouldn't know a block of computer code from a hole in the ground)

Giving any sort of timetable only puts them at risk of missing the deadline and getting caned for it.

They said these are the major bugs:
I think that some of these are quite major- messed up gunsights and bad textures on damage would make the work look very unfinished. I've seen untextured particles in an otherwise finished game and it is very offputting ( think it was the flames in Team Fortress 2 flamethrower- lots of little squares that ruined the overall impression).

Its like children in the back seat of a car, are we nearly there yet, are we?

After 14 months i dont think that washes anymore Fruitbat.

i want the patch as much as the next person, just don't think asking this sort of question is going to make it appear any quicker. Its that simple.

I tend to agree Furbs. I've never driven my kids to a destination that takes 14 months so I cannot comment whether they would carry on with, "Are we there yet?"

It also wont slow it down.

I also agree Fruitbat. Had a similar argument with a subordinate of mine at work. My method is to ask nicely, trying to build a rapport. His is to annoy the beegeezers out of someone until they conform. His does work but burns the bridge. Mine takes longer but keeps the bridge open for next time. I don't think it's a maturity issue.

it's frustrating enough waiting, while some of us can do it patiently like adults, sharing the journey with screaming kids gets tiresome.

I don't know if you have kids Bongodriver but generally, if you are going to drive an extremely long distance you should take breaks and do something to appease the kids or they will carry on. Mind you, if I drive adults an extremely long distance I also have to expect that they won't stay quiet and patient if I don't take breaks and do something to other than continuous driving.

let's dish out lollipops to the whiners?

Beisdes, I equate this journey to a longhaul flight, theres no pulling up in a layby, just a monotonous continuous journey with some brat kicking the back of your seat the whole way.

This isn't anything like that it's a simple question from someone who knows nothing about programming. Jezz if nobody can ask a simple question without someone on here having a clever remark to make then big lol to you. Seriously, it's children you would expect to hear clever remarks from.

Blacksix - Delete this post for me please if it's so offensive asking a question lol.

Oh yes it is! :D

They made us being addicted to this game, even when it was not properly finished when it first came out.

I can hardly imagine how it will be the day CoD will fully functional, again 4-6hrs daily in front of the monitor ;)

~S~