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Originally Posted by furbs (Post 312181)

No offense Blackdog, but can you sum up as i have to go to work tomorrow... :)

Here comes "driveby"....:-P

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Originally Posted by WT_Schmouddle (Post 311991)

There was a few bucks lost (and no, it is not a cost of a single date here) and some lessons learned.
I paid a price, expecting a reasonably finished product. I got early aplha. So there is no way I ever buy any 1C:Maddox game in the future unless proved playable by people I trust.

How is it called? Loss of customer's trust towards the developer? A marketing failure?
Because as this customer was cheated, was lied to and after several months did not get the product he bought, he just don't care anymore and is very sceptical about the "support your sheriff" stuff. He knows there are many possible sheriffs out there in town. Sure there is one better then the current one, who is hastily covering his mistakes in keeping public safe and happy.

Decide for yourself.

Fair enough. Good example of an opinion.
No troll raging.
No "I hate you Oleg!".

This is his experience. Read the satisfied posts and make your mind up and go ahead and decide.

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Originally Posted by addman (Post 311975)

I see both sides of the coin and I vote with my €.;)

You probably won`t buy any expansion 1C puts up in the future too. That`s the main punishment right there.

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Originally Posted by 6S.Manu (Post 311974)

Fanboys can't really judge a product, while whiners do it harshly: you know that without critics a product can't improve (damn... there were tools enjoying the sound engine!).

Moaners don`t criticize the product. They intend on killing it before it has a chance to blossom.

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It's not whiners' fault if the the sales are not improving: it's the develpers' fault. Luckly Ubi is not really vocal about this game... at least they are honest; can you really deceive the customers selling them an unfinished application? I can't...

Funny. I`ve seen a good number of AAA titles that deceived their customers too. Hardly any game today comes out finished.

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I repeat again: almost all the guys in my squad bought the game the day it was released in Europe. We had faith and defended it, we have talked about it to our friends because we believed Luthier's words (far more than Oleg's ones)... anyway in the last months we ALL lost our patience (even Insuber who was the most loyal... still I can't understand how he can "fly" online...)

Really? How in the heaven`s did you manage to stay with IL2 then?
Oh wait, you prolly bought it in 2005.

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The whiners can be hushed only by telling them the truth! I had no problem to support the team with my money once or twice. But I need to be assured by the developer that they are working in the right way...

The whiners won`t shut up. We`ve had a number of their "ultimatums" fulfilled by 1C, yet, they keep on barking.

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Sadly nothing seems to right this way... starting the development of a new theatre is not that I would to hear until the engine core is ok. Blaming an anti-eplilessy filter for the bad performance was not the right way. Nor is the lack of communication/news.

Sorry to hear this. If you describe numerous updates long over the industry`s average and three patches, freebies and incoming releases of another such content "nothing" then I rest my case.

They could have marketed COD in this manner?

"COD an investment for the future"

They didn't.

Instead?

"Here now, ready to rock and roll"

No music.

The fix?
Communication and patching from the "devs",
not from anybody else.
Credibility must be restored.

Nobody here wants 1C or COD to fail.
Fail it will, without the "fix".

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Originally Posted by MadTommy (Post 312011)

^^

I wont buy any sim on launch date again....

I had Clod on pre-order, knowing full well what was in store, judging by the howls of dismay here when the game was released. Call me a masochist if you want. :-P
The way I see it, the sim market needs the support and influx of cash on launch day/week. Given the choice, I would do the same again.

That doesn't make me right or somehow more of a fan, don't get me wrong, but I figure things will be fixed in time (in all sims) and in the meantime I can have a bit of fun with the game too.

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Originally Posted by Pudfark (Post 312232)

Who is responsible for marketting?

Who is responsible for communication?

So the game won't be fixed if they (developers) fix it but don't communicate? :confused: I would rather they just fix it - which is what I think they are doing. I mean, that's what they have 'communicated' to us, after all. I see no reason to doubt that.

Well.....

The solution is simple....

It's the excuses that are complex....

Respectfully intended of course. :cool:

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Originally Posted by Pudfark (Post 312232)

They could have marketed COD in this manner?

"COD an investment for the future"

They didn't.

They did not have this choice because of contract with UBI including NDA. And still have a contract and can not tell the full story.

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Originally Posted by Pudfark (Post 312320)

Well.....

The solution is simple....

It's the excuses that are complex....

Respectfully intended of course. :cool:

That's why luthier and the team are working but not talking. I do not think you want the opposite.

How UBI spends their communication budget is a different question.