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MB_Avro_UK 06-01-2012 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by AndyJWest (Post 430950)
Dyson is irrelevant. He says he isn't an expert. He isn't. The overwhelming consensus amongst the relevant section of the scientific community is that anthropomorphic climate change is real, and will have widespread harmful effects. This is the simple fact here. The denialists are largely driven by greed, ignorance or just plain loopiness, and their opinions on the matter are thus also irrelevant. Scientific questions cannot be answered by propaganda, end of story.
AJW is a self admitted Marxist. His post mirrors his politics. Global Warming to him is a politicall issue.

Marxists hate capitalism, the military, the police etc. Are you an exception AJW?

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MB_Oil_Platform.

David Hayward 06-01-2012 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by 5./JG27.Farber (Post 431012)
How about this. Just let this one run wild for a moment. Lets flip the "scientific consensus" on its head, -reverse it. Imagine, everyone who doesnt think emissions cause global warming doesnt have to pay the taxes on it. Everyone who deos think it cause global warming has to pay the tax. Lets say I dont believe, so I dont pay road tax and get a discount on everything I buy! Can you imagine that? - WOW.
That is an AWESOME idea. Let's carry it even further. If I don't believe in education, I don't have to pay taxes for that. If I don't believe in war, I don't have to pay taxes for the military. If I don't believe it's a good idea to travel, I don't pay taxes for roads. That is friggin brilliant.

I even have a few good examples of countries that are run that way.

Somalia

Afghanistan

Those places must be friggin AWESOME!!!

5./JG27.Farber 06-01-2012 09:38 PM
You obviously missed my point David.

Anyway back to Glaciers.

Ok then so all the glaciers are melting. Much of the North of Britian used to be covered in snow and ice a long time ago - upto 1km thick! When the world population was small. How come when the world population was so small compared to now this ice and snow was already in retreat?

David Hayward 06-01-2012 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by 5./JG27.Farber (Post 431024)
Ok then so all the glaciers are melting. Much of the North of Britian used to be covered in snow and ice a long time ago - upto 1km thick! When the world population was small. How come when the world population was so small compared to now this ice and snow was already in retreat?
There are lots of natural reasons for warm and cold periods. There are changes in solar activity, there is volcanic activity, and there are also changes in sea currents. Right now the heating appears to be the result of humans. At least that's what the scientists are saying.

David Hayward 06-01-2012 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by 5./JG27.Farber (Post 431024)
You obviously missed my point David.
No, I got your point exactly. You don't want to pay for things you don't believe in. To which I say, move your @ss to Somalia.

5./JG27.Farber 06-01-2012 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by David Hayward (Post 431026)
There are lots of natural reasons for warm and cold periods. There are changes in solar activity, there is volcanic activity, and there are also changes in sea currents.
I agree with this first half, these are all good ideas.

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Originally Posted by David Hayward (Post 431026)
Right now the heating appears to be the result of humans. At least that's what the scientists are saying.
O, maybe thats why I dont agree or at least Im not convinced because I am a layman. Are you a scientist David?


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Originally Posted by David Hayward (Post 431027)
No, I got your point exactly. You don't want to pay for things you don't believe in. To which I say, move your @ss to Somalia.
I don't speak the language. You should at least speak the language of the country you move to its only respectful. Besides, I get sun burned easily.

BaronBonBaron 06-01-2012 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by AndyJWest (Post 430950)
The overwhelming consensus amongst the relevant section of the scientific community is that anthropomorphic climate change is real, and will have widespread harmful effects. This is the simple fact here.
Right... just like the "relevant section of the scientific community" from four decades ago was convinced that same thing about global cooling.


"World Exclusive: CIA 1974 Document Reveals Emptiness of AGW Scares, Closes Debate On Global Cooling Consensus"
http://omnologos.com/world-exclusive...us-and-more-2/


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUYnHxtFYlM

http://i1195.photobucket.com/albums/...al-cooling.jpg


http://i1195.photobucket.com/albums/...big-freeze.jpg

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David Hayward 06-01-2012 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by 5./JG27.Farber (Post 431028)
I agree with this first half, these are all good ideas.
But none are happening at the moment. The driving force at the moment appears to be the result of huge amounts of CO2 being released into the atmosphere. Do you have any idea who, or what, might be doing that right now?

David Hayward 06-01-2012 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by BaronBonBaron (Post 431029)
Right... just like the "relevant section of the scientific community" from four decades ago was convinced that same thing about global cooling.
I hate to break it to you, but Time magazine articles are rarely printed in scientific journals.

RedToo 06-01-2012 09:54 PM
Speaking of overwhelming scientific consesus, it wasn't long ago that the overwhelming scientific consensus was that plate tectonics was nonsense. :)

What is lacking in the global warming debate is data, plain and simple.

RedToo.


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