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Heliocon 01-27-2011 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luthier (Post 217477)
WHAT?

According to the steam hardware survey, which is about the most comprehensive, the most accurate survey of PC gamer hardware, only about 5% of PC gamers are on a DX11-capable system. About 21% are on DX9 systems, and the rest are DX10.

But apparently 21 + 73 > 5.

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey

No I meant more people are running dx11 than dx10. This is because more people are on Win7 than vista and XP doesnt run dx10. Alot of games have no DX10 support at all, its dx9 or 11.
Win7 is currently the most used OS, second is XP. You dont think over the next year with the huge drop in dx11 cards that people wont go to dx11?

ANyway my point is that not many people use dx10 as vista is a minority os, and win7 users use dx9 if dx11 is not available in the game because DX10 was not widely adopted.
Also xp only uses 9 so...

Btw what you said is not what I said (or meant) DX9>DX10 DX11>DX10
DX9>DX11. This will shift decisivly to DX11 because nvidia and ati have discontinued there dx10 lines, nvidia is only makine gf110 chips now (500 series).

!!!Your graph is from may 2010, that 5% is 6 months out of date!!!

Lensman_1 01-27-2011 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dano (Post 217414)
There is only one person to blame...

Thank you for your courtesy in pointing that out Dano.
I think this will be my last post here because there are too many unkind people around. Not all by any means, I've had some very positive and pleasant responses but the level of debate at times is playground style and offensive so I'll continue to read all your posts with interest but I don't have anything further to offer in the way of input.

Oh .. and I'm very pleased with my dual GTX580s Dano, I just felt irritated that the slight extra graphical quality I'd hoped to see in COD by using them won't (for the forseeable future) actually appear. There seem to be a variety of negative feature changes to this application as we near the release date even if to some people they are (justifiably) trivial. Don't promise what you can't deliver is a good motto to live by.
Bye all.
Phil

swiss 01-27-2011 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by speculum jockey (Post 217482)
are you posting from the future? What does duke nukem forever ii look like?

rofl!

Heliocon 01-27-2011 05:08 PM

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey

The majority OS is Win7 64bit with near 35% of users (will increase in a few days when the new months stats are posted).
2. XP 32bit with 24% and dropping
3. Vista 32bit with 13.5%
4. Windows 7 32 bit, 11.5%

Out of those options the only OS gaining market share is win7 64bit. Also I should mention these stats can fluctuate as when civ5 was released alot of ppl with crap computers joined steam to play, it skewed the results for atleast a month if not 2. (about 3-4 months ago).

!!!EDIT: Also you may note that the number is from MAY 2009 - MAY 2010, so it does NOT represent current % of dx11 users, Ie the graph is over 6 months out of date!!!

Heliocon 01-27-2011 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lensman_1 (Post 217492)
Thank you for your courtesy in pointing that out Dano.
I think this will be my last post here because there are too many unkind people around. Not all by any means, I've had some very positive and pleasant responses but the level of debate at times is playground style and offensive so I'll continue to read all your posts with interest but I don't have anything further to offer in the way of input.

Oh .. and I'm very pleased with my dual GTX580s Dano, I just felt irritated that the slight extra graphical quality I'd hoped to see in COD by using them won't (for the forseeable future) actually appear. There seem to be a variety of negative feature changes to this application as we near the release date even if to some people they are (justifiably) trivial. Don't promise what you can't deliver is a good motto to live by.
Bye all.
Phil

Glad you like the 580's, I hope they didnt screw this up and they will support them. Currently I am number 150 or so in the EVGA step up que, so will get mine in a few weeks. I am very dissapointed too, I didnt care so much about dx11 features but the fact there is no DX11 at all is a huge blow. This game will not have a long lifespan if they dont get DX11. In fact windows is cutting off support for XP this year (confirmed) and most likely vista (maybe).
Wtf are they thinking?

JG52Uther 01-27-2011 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Heliocon (Post 217499)
Glad you like the 580's, I hope they didnt screw this up and they will support them. Currently I am number 150 or so in the EVGA step up que, so will get mine in a few weeks. I am very dissapointed too, I didnt care so much about dx11 features but the fact there is no DX11 at all is a huge blow. This game will not have a long lifespan if they dont get DX11. In fact windows is cutting off support for XP this year (confirmed) and most likely vista (maybe).
Wtf are they thinking?

You best stick to il2 if you are so disappointed ;)

swiss 01-27-2011 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heliocon (Post 217495)
http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey

The majority OS is Win7 64bit with near 35% of users (will increase in a few days when the new months stats are posted).
2. XP 32bit with 24% and dropping
3. Vista 32bit with 13.5%
4. Windows 7 32 bit, 11.5%

Out of those options the only OS gaining market share is win7 64bit. Also I should mention these stats can fluctuate as when civ5 was released alot of ppl with crap computers joined steam to play, it skewed the results for atleast a month if not 2. (about 3-4 months ago).

!!!EDIT: Also you may note that the number is from MAY 2009 - MAY 2010, so it does NOT represent current % of dx11 users, Ie the graph is over 6 months out of date!!!

What's your point?
The ran into trouble with DX11, so no DX11 for the start. End.

Or is it about being right?

Btw: You should check your keyboard, it seems your exclamation mark key is stuck.

edit:
Quote:

This game will not have a long lifespan if they dont get DX11.
Wtf are they thinking?
Please, stop bullsh1tting.

Tvrdi 01-27-2011 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heliocon (Post 217490)
No I meant more people are running dx11 than dx10. This is because more people are on Win7 than vista and XP doesnt run dx10. Alot of games have no DX10 support at all, its dx9 or 11.
Win7 is currently the most used OS, second is XP. You dont think over the next year with the huge drop in dx11 cards that people wont go to dx11?

ANyway my point is that not many people use dx10 as vista is a minority os, and win7 users use dx9 if dx11 is not available in the game because DX10 was not widely adopted.
Also xp only uses 9 so...

Btw what you said is not what I said (or meant) DX9>DX10 DX11>DX10
DX9>DX11. This will shift decisivly to DX11 because nvidia and ati have discontinued there dx10 lines, nvidia is only makine gf110 chips now (500 series).

!!!Your graph is from may 2010, that 5% is 6 months out of date!!!

mate, DX10 will work fine on win7....I play ROF (DX9) on win7 64bit no probs....for smooth gameplay with all the eye candy from DX11 there would be a huge performance drop for most players....

lbuchele 01-27-2011 05:27 PM

Well, If this game is so demanding in graphics like it seems to be, DX11 may not be so great if fps goes down when it is enabled.
And fps GO down with tesselation enabled.

Tvrdi 01-27-2011 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lbuchele (Post 217516)
Well, If this game is so demanding in graphics like it seems to be, DX11 may not be so great if fps goes down when it is enabled.
And fps GO down with tesselation enabled.

thats my point....


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