4.12 open testing

[bitterman]

Hello, guys!

I guess it's a tradition for all of virtual pilots to be given a new patch as gift for winter holidays. So, I suppose that all of us are looking forward to the new one and it is coming soon.

Due to that, I'd like to post a question about testing of upcoming patch:

Is testing of 4.12 going to be opened or closed? If it is going to be closed (or it's already going so), then is it possible to make this testing and testing of next patches opened? Obviously, this will incredibly speed up testing and debugging of patch and will decrease the amount of butthurt during release. If it is not possible to make testing opened, could you name the reasons why this can not be done?

This question is sincerely coming from the next squads and groups:

1. 159BAG
2. GOVP
3. SG2
4. AxA
5. RR
6. IronSky
7. ES
8. Trd
9. KG200
10. KG26
11. aviachamp.ru

[dFrog]

As far as I know betatesting is already in progress

[bitterman]

is there any official information?

[Treetop64]

Pre-release testing was announced weeks ago.

Don't worry. If the quality of DT's prior work is anything to go by, the wait - no matter how long - will be well worth it.

[Snake]

This waiting is killing me!!!

[JtD]

Open testing isn't planned. If a particular squad wants to participate in testing, it would probably be the best idea to send an email to the TD address. Doesn't mean it's going to happen, but with this topic alone, chances are zero.

There's always the risk of a patch leaking, and the more people involved, the bigger it is. Having the community partially upgrade to a buggy beta-version is in no-one's interest, so it's a good idea to keep the testing circle reasonably small.

[bitterman]

I must consider, that your words make me feel in a bad way. Very bad way.

So, tell me, please, what the heck is "a patch leaking"? Leaking to where? Leaking to whom? To all of the people, that DT used to call "Dear Il-2 fans" in their own posts? To the people who love them? To the people who trust them and are waiting with trepidation for the new improvements? Leaking without any financial and confidential lost? This is ridiculous! If it is not, then what is the sence of all of this? What is the sence of this forum? What is the sence of the wish lists, discussions and bug reports when most of them are just ignored or implemented in a terrific way and presented to us packed in the snots of sobbing about "oh, gods, we've got so much work to do and so little time to implement it"? Damn it! I know very well how it's hard to maintain big projects using only personal free time. From this point of view I'm giving my deep respect to all of the people who have ever contributed to this game. But at the same time I should say that current DT team shows us their unprofessional behaviour of software developers. We do not need a heap of promises about how good it will be a bit later and how much they need to do now. Sometimes it sounds to me like a promises about life after death. Such a wrong approach. Do less. But do it now. Do it with a high level of quality. Do it on time. Ask for help. Nobobe will die from this. Appreciate and accept the help of your fans. You are doing the work for them. But the words

Having the community partially upgrade to a buggy beta-version is in no-one's interest, so it's a good idea to keep the testing circle reasonably small.

look selfish and cynical. May be it's a good idea to left this reasonably small testing circle playing in their sandbox alone? Sorry, if there are rude words, but the situation exactly looks like that. Let's be realists.

[Fenrir]

Bitterman, you're well off track in my opinion; there's nothing ridiculous about having a small core of reliable and trusted testers to beta test.

Their way means testing among a limited but cosmopolitan range of setups - feedback is more managable in the event of the more prevalent & serious bugs and allows quicker analysis.

It also avoids the hysteria and drama-queen-itis - and there's already more than required of that, much emanating from your direction I might add - that seems to effect the public response towards bugs in a general release version. Also previous massed beta-released have caused some confusion and compatability issues which don't help matters much.

I suggest you dial back on your sense of indignant entitlement; there's a lot of passionate people here eagerly awaiting the patch and it's new features, you certainly aren't the only one keen to get your hands on it.

As for JTDs post being selfish and cynical... ? We're clearly on VERY different wavelengths, cos to my eyes, what he said was neither opinion or conjecture - just fact.

[bitterman]

ok. I see. I haven't played il-2 for a long-long time, so i said not only about my self. it's a common opinion in the big parts of the eastern community (commonly non-english speaking, as you might guess). just fact. thanks for clarity.

[AnpeJIb_23]

Dear pilots, many thanks for your thoughts and comments. However, the question is addressed directly to DT, and we would llike to hear an official response.

With respect AnpeJIb, representative of KG200.

1. 159BAG
2. GOVP
3. SG2
4. AxA
5. RR
6. IronSky
7. ES
8. Trd
9. KG200
10. KG26
11. aviachamp.ru