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IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover Latest instalment in the acclaimed IL-2 Sturmovik series from award-winning developer Maddox Games.

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Old 02-23-2011, 11:32 AM
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Default To Developers: New engine settings for Merlin III at +12 lbs

When Cliffs of Dover is coming i wonder if 1C has detailed info about new engine settings for Spitfire MK1 +12 lbs with Melin III engine which was intruduced since using 100 octan fuel in engine Merlin III.

With lower octan fuel Merlin III maximum power was + 6 1/2 lbs. I found that most avaliable data claim that after using 100 Octan fuel Merlin III settings were +12 lbs - emergency power and +6 1/2 lbs for climbing power (nominal power) which isnt true.

I just put here document which show which engine settings were used in Merlin III at 100 Octan fuel :



As we see such engine settings are similar to these one in Merlin XII using in Spitfire MK II.

So we should have for Merlin III engine at 100 octan fuel:

- emergency power ( take off) - +12 lbs
- climb power ( rated power) - + 9lbs
- crusing powe - +7 lbs

I think it is important information regarding Spitfire performacne expecially climb and maximum speed at different engine settings.

At spitfireperformacne site we have climb rate for Spitfire MK1 at 6 1/2 lbs 2600RPM :

http://www.spitfireperformance.com/n3171.html

We see that climb rate was 2810 ft/min - 2900 ft/min at low level ( 14-14.5 m/s).

So if we take new engine settings with 100 Octan fuel for climb power at 9 lbs 2850 RMP - climb rate would me much better - ab. 3000-3100 ft/min ( 15-15.5 m/s) and with emergency power at +12 lbs 3000 RPM it would be much more higher.

Being in the topic of engine settings and WW2 fighters planes performacne i just wonder if 1C has detailed info about BOB fighters performance and engine settings to make correct FM and performacne of these planes.

I know that these topic is not simple easy beacuse there are many various information about performance of these planes expecially Bf 109 E and Spitfire MK1.

I wonder also about engine settings for Db601A and 601Aa for 1940 year ( BoB era). There are also various information about maximum allowed ATA - some claim that Ata was restricted for only 1.3 Ata when full emergency power for DB 601 A was 1.42Ata ( 1.45 Ata for 601Aa).

I hope some from 1C would read these topic.

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Old 02-23-2011, 08:14 PM
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Just spoke to Oleg
He said no problem. He will hold back on the release day to get this implemented for you. Oh and thanks for bring it to his attention.
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Old 02-23-2011, 08:33 PM
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i strongly belive the Maddox team is full aware of this site
http://www.fourthfightergroup.com/eagles/spittest.html

so, if not at least the Spitfire Mk.II in CoD will have the 12lb/sq.in. boost, i would be very surprised !!
And there will be 3 flyable Mk.I versions too..
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Old 02-23-2011, 09:32 PM
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Well, Kwiatek is not only talking about +12 boost. The document indicates that a Merlin III with 100 octane fuel has the same engine power (look at the mentions hp rating and compare with that of a Merlin XII here) and limitations as a Merlin XII.

However this document doesn't support this. It states that 3.000 rpm and any boost over 6 1/4 is only allowed for 5 min for a Merlin II/III. "Climbing" power is by definition allowed for 30min or 1 hour. See the contradiction?

The main difference between a Merlin III and XII is the of 70/30% water/glycol coolant which allowed the higher power and limits of the Merlin XII. Maybe this engine was operated at with that coolant?

Kwiatek can you give some more information about the document? What is about and what is on the other 39 pages?

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Old 02-23-2011, 09:44 PM
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Well 9 lb boost when climbing would make a substantial difference over 6.5 lb.
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Old 02-23-2011, 10:38 PM
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And there will be 3 flyable Mk.I versions too..
3?

I thought it was just the mkI (de havilland 2-pitch) and the mkI (Rotol constant speed)
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Old 02-23-2011, 11:40 PM
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3?

I thought it was just the mkI (de havilland 2-pitch) and the mkI (Rotol constant speed)
some video of the last Kiev gameshow showed 3 Mk.I and the Mk.II
also 2 Hurricane Mk.I .
Also 109E-3 and -3/B.
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Old 02-24-2011, 01:32 AM
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Just spoke to Oleg
He said no problem. He will hold back on the release day to get this implemented for you. Oh and thanks for bring it to his attention.
ROFLMAO!

Good one.
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Old 02-24-2011, 06:12 PM
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Just spoke to Oleg
He said no problem. He will hold back on the release day to get this implemented for you. Oh and thanks for bring it to his attention.
Well maby you should also speak with Oleg about slats in 109 and 110 so he could implement it before relase

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