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IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover Latest instalment in the acclaimed IL-2 Sturmovik series from award-winning developer Maddox Games.

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Old 10-24-2012, 03:49 AM
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Default BoM: Wonder if they'll model the poor Soviet Plexiglass?

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Early models of the Yak-1, MiG-1/3 and especially the LaGG-3/LaGG-5 had cockpit plexiglass with very poor optical qualities, to the point that Soviet pilots removed it, or flew with an open cockpit.

This reduced speed by quite a bit, up to 20 kph in some cases.

Wonder if they'll model this in BoM. Should be a part of the game.

Of course, I-15's and I-16's didn't have the problem since they only had the glass windshield.
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Old 10-24-2012, 04:59 AM
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I'm sure that all the Soviet planes in BoM will be modeled perfectly, and the game will be everything that Clod failed to be, simply because it is of more interest to the devs.
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Old 10-24-2012, 05:02 AM
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I've always thought those imperfections in the glass (scratches etc.) were a great boost to immersion. Hoping that at some point some mod makes its way into the clod planes as well...
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Old 10-24-2012, 05:49 AM
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I've always thought those imperfections in the glass (scratches etc.) were a great boost to immersion. Hoping that at some point some mod makes its way into the clod planes as well...
Imperfections may have existed in British and American cockpit plexiglass, but they were minor compared to the Soviet problems. Their glass was often cloudy, of varying thickness and warped, creating distortions and making it very difficult to spot opponents.

That was the reason pilots preferred to fly with an open cockpit.
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Old 10-24-2012, 07:36 AM
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it'd be tight if they also modeled the light reflection / glare changes with the random distortions . . .


they should put it a toggle, [] poor Soviet glass and [] us / brit plexiglass
scratched

no better yet a slider

poor Soviet [][][][] US / Brit scratched [][][][] polished [][][][]factory new

for the folks that will scream they can't see the 109's
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Old 10-24-2012, 08:38 AM
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I asked Luthier in a Q&A if they would have gunsights or painted on the windscreen DIY jobs, he just said it would be "historically correct"... So there is proberbly your answer.
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Old 10-24-2012, 09:19 AM
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Don't expect MG to nerf VVS planes. All historical production and QA problems will certainly not be modelled.
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Old 10-24-2012, 01:01 PM
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Western plane's plastic was maintained with a cleaner/polish that pretty much eliminated scratches, but that was up to the crew chief (elbow grease and time) and the pilot (what he would accept). Gunners often maintained their own plastic. Pictures often show a not so spotless aircraft with sparkling clean and clear windows. Visibility was considered essential, and a tactical advantage.

The Russians open canopies (I'm a recognized expert here - lol) were often times due as much to fumes and heat as their relatively poor quality plastic.
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Old 10-24-2012, 01:20 PM
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Actually they flew with open cockpit because early types has problem with ventilation(heat and fume)
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Old 10-24-2012, 03:33 PM
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I would not expect them to model the actual numbers for the VVS fighters as the whine would overwhelm anything seen here. LAgG-3 was utter piece of crap, pilots had to fly radiators open to avoid overheat, engine was underpowered, craftmanship sub-par. Add to that fumes, yellow tint plexiglass etc. and you get the pic.

First battles with La-5 were far from a success, Yak's had to ESCORT them because of poor performance and Bf109F-4/G-2 outperforming them in every way almost. Excessive workload for the pilot in La-5, undercarriages suffering breakages etc. List goes on and on. Stalin said: Quantity in itself is quality. Go figure.

What I expect to see in sequel are those TsAGI values with polished, stripped and seamless planes etc. The so called paper numbers which very few, if any, production aircraft met. The Russian FMs in IL-2 were already copy/paste in many planes..
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