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Old 06-23-2012, 11:18 AM
HundertneunGustav HundertneunGustav is offline
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Default someone putting their hand into the Devs pockets?

If i wrote a Med campaign (a stock map? a modded one?)
for the P-38 F... (a modded [evil haxxorx?] plane?)
and called that an official Campaign ... (at least on facebook... ?)
and sold it for proper money on a CD...
such a thing exists

could i do that?
without getting in the way of anyone?
-no way of checking, i do not have a copy of the product-

i mean like.... would you nuke the crap out of me?
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Old 06-23-2012, 12:36 PM
EJGr.Ost_Caspar EJGr.Ost_Caspar is offline
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There have been pay addons, containing only campaign and mission, for a long time (i.e. by Desastersoft). AFAIK, there was never any problem with it. And I don't see any difference if its modded content or stock, that gets used in the campaigns. Its not the content, that gets sold, but its the work, that has been gone into the mission making.

Only questionable issue I would see, is that using the tool (the FMB in game itself) for building this, should 1C enable to get some fees out of it too. But I bet, they are not interested.
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Old 06-23-2012, 02:31 PM
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If i wrote a Med campaign (a stock map? a modded one?)
for the P-38 F... (a modded [evil haxxorx?] plane?)
and called that an official Campaign ... (at least on facebook... ?)
and sold it for proper money on a CD...
such a thing exists

could i do that?
without getting in the way of anyone?
-no way of checking, i do not have a copy of the product-

i mean like.... would you nuke the crap out of me?
Why not release it for free as many others have done on mission for tonight or M4T

Your using a mod created aircraft and not the original software can be used to fly it and you want to charge others for your missions ??

A bit near the mark to be honest.


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I thought those 3rd party addon companies had to pay a licence fee for selling products produced by the IL2 series.

One of the first requirements when addons were released was to encrypt the .mis file transfers between host and client this stopped anyone reusing the missions created by paid addon companies who didn't own the particular addon.

This also messed up the Coop flyers that used to go into the cache and refly the mission they had just flown in Hyperlobby the Ross squad used to join my CooPs and refly them hosted and tweaked by themselves, the unencrypted .mis created many Coop mission hosts and encouraged mission creators.

Might be nice to have the option to encrypt the .mis in the GUI when hosting

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Old 06-23-2012, 04:41 PM
HundertneunGustav HundertneunGustav is offline
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The question is not a practical one at all.
I wont build such a thing.
i saw something out there and am asking myself:
is this not over-doing it?

There is a Product out there that features an F-Lightning.(This means It incorporates Mods and modacts... possibly needs a mod package? ...builds upon what the community has worked.)

The Product is sold for cash (the campaign comes on a physical media)

the creator of said campaign says on Facebook "it is an official Campaign"

Seeing all this made me have the same reaction "STOPPPPPP LIKE WTF U DOIN?"

Product
-needs mod
builds upon community work, in this Case AAA1.1, HSFX4.1 and UP3RC4)

-needs payin'
as such okay, product is product, that is all right with me, but builds upon community work? community work is illegal by definition, what does 1C/TD/Oleg whoever say? what do the UP guys say? what about the techs that made HSFX 4.1? are they okay with that situation of someone making a buck off this Stock+illegal mod work?

-sez its an official addon
for 1C and Ubi to take a look at - (i hand that question over to you folks, am merely trying to report something.

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This is still a question, although i view the subject with a whole lot of spontaneous criticism
...i am not about to nail anyone to a cross - yet. Not for myself, not in public.
Products like these do not interest me, for a wide range of personal opinions.
I understand that.
Still...
is it okay?

This is a morally, copyrightedly, licencedly completely twisted and f*d up situation

http://www.wwiies.com/juegos/es/tunisia1/
check the requirements for this thing...

Look, i will leave this as is.
You guys decide.
Mods been tolerated, with a lot of patience from the game makers.
I respect that. I respect, and thank you for not explicitely allowing me to use mods. I love them, i need them to make my game work for me.
Thanks for not shutting this modding scene down. Dead serious.

There is a group of people out there that profit from this situation, and...
you, the official folks check it out and decide if that is okay with you.

Yours Truly
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Old 06-23-2012, 05:12 PM
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Someone please recreate the NUKE bombing missions on Japan flying the B-29, Make the takeoff Airport of course Tinnian and then somehow create a mod with some textures that will produce the mushroom cloud.

I would pay for this...

Then I would first watch the second half Pearl Harbor movie, build up a hatred for the Japan_NEEZ
Then fire up that mission and NUKE the F**K out of them.

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Old 06-23-2012, 05:17 PM
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If your selling package contains campaign and other related content, made by only you, or, you own copyrights to this content, you can sell it no problem.
But you may not include any content, which you do not own copyright to.

In your example, you can sell missions, which you made, but the package should not include original game and/or mods, made by other people, for which you don't own copyright, even if they are required for your campaign.
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Old 06-23-2012, 08:40 PM
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http://www.dooyoo.de/pc-spiele/_desastersoft/

Legal and successful.
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Old 06-24-2012, 01:35 PM
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We're talking about an addon with 1010 missions.
I got their modded BoB addon and its much better than what you download for free and it has 800 missions. It takes lot of time to produce that amount, so its ok to get payed for it.
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Old 06-24-2012, 01:39 PM
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If your selling package contains campaign and other related content, made by only you, or, you own copyrights to this content, you can sell it no problem.
But you may not include any content, which you do not own copyright to.

In your example, you can sell missions, which you made, but the package should not include original game and/or mods, made by other people, for which you don't own copyright, even if they are required for your campaign.
I was asked and gave them full permission regarding my stuff...did the same for Desastersoft.
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Old 06-25-2012, 10:57 PM
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TBH I've always thought the idea of paying for add-on campaigns to be ridiculous, I have the FMB and I can make my own. If they added something to the game that wasn't already there I might but then there are so many available for free which sometimes include skins. Nothing Personal you understand but unless it's like the most astounding campaign ever with soo much detail and populated airfields and everything.. why would I want to pay ( not trying to hurt feelings just playing the devil's advocate) on a side note my sisters husband copies video clips from You Tube and sets them to music and calls them his and has promoted himself as a video production company, which obviously he is not. Can he legally sell what he makes? There would probably be some legal stuff to worry about, yes?
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