A good joystick for Clod

[Yellow14150]

Hi guys I come to you with a question only answerable by your extensive expertise.
I'm in the market for a new joystick. My current joystick is am Interact Raider Pro Digital! Circa 1975. (Hey at least its got a hat switch

So I'm looking in the $50 to $100 dollar range, the better the deal the better. I can't really justify spending that much money on a joystick, but ah well, I like flying to much. (even if its only in 30-40min spurts)

I was looking at the Saitek x52 or some of the thrustmaster sticks. Someone recommended the Thrustmaster something something M16000 because of no dead zone.
I think I'd prefer a really good stick, as in responsiveness, over a lot of extra buttons and do-dads, as I get by with my 6 button joystick just fine.

Thanks guys

[lensman1945]

Hi!

Find yourself a Microsoft SideWinder Force Feedback 2 Joystick on Ebay.

It works great with Clod and you get the plus of the FFB.

I managed to get myself 3 over the last year...the most I payed was £15.40

[arthursmedley]

+1. I got my MSFF2 from E-Bay last month. Best bit of kit I've got along with TrackIr.

[ATAG_Snapper]

+1 on the MSFFB2. I've owned one for at least 15 years and it still works as new, even though it's had no direct support from Microsoft for a long time, its force feedback still works great with the built in Win 7 drivers.

If you can't find one, I have also recommended the Thrustmaster TM16000 stick - which I keep as backup. It's huge value at $36. It uses Halls sensors which are contactless - they won't wear out, start to "Spike", and are very precise. The stick itself is very sturdy with a smooth action. It comes with a twist-grip Z-axis (for rudder control), a lever for throttle, plus numerous buttons on the stick and base which can either be straightforward Directx plig 'n play, or you can program them for to handle more complex actions with the free Thrustmaster TARGET software. It's a good stick which should last a lifetime, literally.
http://www.amazon.com/Hercules-29607...7099851&sr=8-3

[ATAG_MajorBorris]

With CoD I have been using ch stuff for the bombers but I will allways love the MSFF2

[Sokol1]

Thrustmaster TM16000 stick... It uses Halls sensors which are contactless - they won't wear out, start to "Spike", and are very precise. It's a good stick which should last a lifetime, literally.

Notice that TM16.000M HALL sensor is only in X and Y axis, rudder and throttle still use ordinary pots, the same bad quality find in 90% of low cost sticks (and even in Cougar):
http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.ph...109#post883109

In spite of this, T16.000 is the best option available in entry level joystick.

Sokol1

[buzzard]

I have the Saitek X52 Pro with throttle quadrant and pedals. Very satisfied, works great with CloD, Wings of Prey and Rise of Flight, to name a few. Most games seem to recognize the setup, as the controls are usually configured out of the gate, with a few tweaks of course. I agree about the 'old style' pots, but no problems as yet. The regular X52 looks like a Star Trek device, go for the Pro, it looks better (if that matters).

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[bravoalpha]

Originally Posted by Sokol1

Notice that TM16.000M HALL sensor is only in X and Y axis, rudder and throttle still use ordinary pots, the same bad quality find in 90% of low cost sticks (and even in Cougar):
http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.ph...109#post883109

In spite of this, T16.000 is the best option available in entry level joystick.

Sokol1

Edit: I saw a site with wrong infos. If the T16.000 not an FFB stick, go for a basic Saitek like the Aviator with two throttle.
Any normal pot can be replaced easily, or there are a lot of way to clean and make them work forever! If its ever will be needed. I never heard any problems about Saitek (like cyborg) , thousands of hours of use and no matter.

OFF:
Haha, those crappots! Can anyone tell anything about them? 100K linear, 270°? In my Logitech all of these kinda potmeter is working only in the short range, max 60° in middle way. I started a DIY controller project and I want to replace them!
ON

[bolox]

100K linear, 270° would be a standard pot. the type used in some joysticks do often have a reduced 'active' rotation of ~60 deg as you notice.

pretty much any 100k pot will work tho i usually look for at least 1/2 Watt rating and if its in the specs the projected number of rotations ~1000000 is good.

for a first project i'd suggest just getting cheapish pots(<£5) and a cheap plastic 'project box' to mount them in. if you are thinking of using one or more pots for trims (partic elev) i'd recommend finding a pot with 'multiturn' capability-5 or 10 turns is normal. these are around £10 each but the better sensitivity is worth it

good luck

[Sokol1]

Any normal pot can be replaced easily,

Mmm, not too easy.

Joystick pot in general is different from "normal" pot, that are build to work for ~270 degress.
Some joystick pot have condutive trail only in ~60 degress, eventually a 270 one work for substituition, but with loss of resolution.
The major problemn is find new pot with same phisical dimentions of the old, the same leght of axis and the key in apropriated angle.
If joystick mannufacture provides replacents, but in general no.
Someone say that is due to the fact to replace pot is need soldering, and one can burn your fingers in the procces and sue the manufacturer (in USA)...
Exception is CH Products, their pots dont require soldef, just plug tabs.

In my Logitech all of these kinda potmeter is working only in the short range, max 60° in middle way. I started a DIY controller project and I want to replace them!
ON

Fortunatelly today is easy and inexpensive replace pots with HALL sensor - if you have a DIY mind.

Buy Honeywell SS495A or Allegro A1321EUA-T HALL sensor, some neodimium magnets, and plug in pots wires. The "hard" part is find the correct center, require many trial and errors. See some tips in SimHQ.

[quote]
100K linear, 270° would be a standard pot[/quote

100k pot are standart in gamepor devices.

Today USB controllers use low values, tipically 10~50k.

The "rule of the thumb": hight values tend to pick more "noise" (spikes), and low values consumes more Amperes from USB port.

Sokol1