Why the need for German planes?

[Lightsped]

From what I can tell, we are never (except for one recon mission) going to use German planes in single player. Why are they included?

I was really hoping to play as a German pilot and get to use the Luftwaffe planes on missions.

I don't do the multiplayer games yet since they are hard to find, and everyone keeps crashing.

The only thing I can think of to do with the Luftwaffe planes are the Training games where you can setup single player games.

[MorgothNL]

They dont let you fly for germany... because it was unethical or something..
And you would be playing for the losing side.. (its more or less what anton said)
^^ they do have a point there... but on the other hand.. the germans sure did win airbattles.. so why not play those? I gues its big enough as it is like this

[Lightsped]

I was hoping to fly for the Germans like I did in the old PC games called "Their Finest Hour", and "Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe". Its more fun to play as Germans since they did have some really good aircraft towards the end of the war.

If we can play as Germans on COD World at War, Wolfenstien, etc... then I don't see why we shouldn't be able to fly for the Luftwaffe.....

[H Lecter]

Originally Posted by Lightsped

I was hoping to fly for the Germans like I did in the old PC games called "Their Finest Hour", and "Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe". Its more fun to play as Germans since they did have some really good aircraft towards the end of the war.

If we can play as Germans on COD World at War, Wolfenstien, etc... then I don't see why we shouldn't be able to fly for the Luftwaffe.....

Gaijin will give us many things, but Anton kind of made clear that a German campaign is not one of them. He really became kind of emotional back then and I would not argue about it.

I also had troubles finding multiplayer games, but as more people buy the game (in some countries it has just been released) and finish the SP missions we will see an increasing influx to the MP servers. And there it would be kind of ridiculous seeing RAF and USAF planes battling each other, that's why we got all the nice Luftwaffe toys.

[King Jareth]

Originally Posted by H Lecter

And there it would be kind of ridiculous seeing RAF and USAF planes battling each other, that's why we got all the nice Luftwaffe toys.

I always hoped you'd be able to force one team to take Axis and one team to take allied planes online, its weird in team games trying to confirm who's ahead of you before you fire*.
"anyone in a hurricane mkII?"
"yes
"you got a spitfire behind you?
"no
-start firing-

*I know you have to do some friend or foe recognition but at least real WWII pilots didn't have to worry about what nationality planes their wingmen were flying that day.

[M3-SRT8]

Sure. But ol' Anton has no problem with anybody flying and fighting for that Communist Utopia, the (former) USSR.

Again, how many people were outright executed, worked, beaten, and starved to death under Stalin? 20 million? 25? More?

...and, Lenin, Khruschchev, Brezhnev, and the rest of the Politburo, how many did they do in? According to Guiness, collectively it's around 66.5 million people.

Just because these people didn't agree to these monsters vision of a "workers paradise."

Go ahead and lock the thread. My point's made.

LJB

[Lightsped]

I still think it would be more fun for everyone if we could fly for the Luftwaffe. This has been done in numerous video games in the past. By flying for the Luftwaffe, it would allow the game to expand alot more by giving players more choices and more experience with the various types of planes.

From a marketing/money standpoint it makes sense. Just look at all of the COD games. And that is just one game title.....

[H Lecter]

Originally Posted by M3-SRT8

Sure. But ol' Anton has no problem with anybody flying and fighting for that Communist Utopia, the (former) USSR.

Doesn't matter. Anton and his brother (?) Kyril are the producers. They make the game the way they believe is 'right' and we as customers can provide feedback and/or decide not to buy it.

Political discussions are more than useless in this forum and will only create hardship among the forum members.

[Yossarian]

Originally Posted by King Jareth

I always hoped you'd be able to force one team to take Axis and one team to take allied planes online, its weird in team games trying to confirm who's ahead of you before you fire*.
"anyone in a hurricane mkII?"
"yes
"you got a spitfire behind you?
"no
-start firing-

*I know you have to do some friend or foe recognition but at least real WWII pilots didn't have to worry about what nationality planes their wingmen were flying that day.

I thought even in sim mode you get a coloured box around aircraft when they are close in every mode other than dogfight. You don't get a direction indicator when they are off screen or the distance to then, but enemy planes do have a red box around them when closer than 2km and in view. I could be wrong I've only ever found one sim team battle game since the game came out.

[Anton Yudintsev]

Originally Posted by M3-SRT8

Sure. But ol' Anton has no problem with anybody flying and fighting for that Communist Utopia, the (former) USSR.

Again, how many people were outright executed, worked, beaten, and starved to death under Stalin? 20 million? 25? More?

First of all, I am not against fighting for axis airbattles. I was against them in Birds of Prey. It is our first console flight-sim, and we were going to make it as flawless as possible.
Fighting for Axis, even in game, is not 100% ethical.

Second, please, don't re-type bullshit about USSR. Of course, there were executions, but nothing close to 20 million, even number of all prisoners (with criminals, like thiefs or bandits), not all of them executed, is less than that. Less than 1 million of executions (but close to), is something very huge, but it isn't anyhow close to what Axis did. It's something close to what USA did to thier people during great depression.

Also, the main differences is reasoning. Axis - were executing people because of their _race_. Stalin - was just a dictator, he was trying to keep power (and did it not for his own wealth, but for the country - that's was how he understood 'lesser evil' concept).

Every country has it's black pages. But in Birds of Prey gamers (like real soldiers of world war2) are not fighting for Stalin or against some of his opposers. Those days people were fighting for freedom, for survival - against evil. Not all of Germans were Nazis of course. Not even most of them. But all German soldiers were fighting for Nazi.

It doesn't mean that fighting for Axis airforce in any game is 100% unethical.
But on the other hand, fighting for Allies IS 100% ethical.