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What's most amazing to me about this thread is not "why are you people feeding the troll"... but "How are you people feeding the troll?" I seriously can't understand a word this guy types...I'm amazed there are people here that can decipher the garbled mess enough to put together a reply.
...It took me all 3 of Raaaid's posts and a helluva lot of re-reading to figure out that the "3d effect" he was referring to was the depth of field effect. For some reason, in my head I have a vision of Raaaid excitedly sitting at a computer in a mental hospital, paranoid and biting his nails because he managed to sneak into the doctor's office for the 100th time to use his computer and post on the banana forums before the big guys in white uniforms drag him off back to his cell after sedating him in his straitjacket. |
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The documentary is riddled with inaccuracies... 55 seconds of firing for the Germans... ![]() And the comments about "...long wide curves" are in relation to a 109 pilot escaping, as are all the comments about negative G. I'll post again: Quote:
IN EVERY CASE The German report says nothing about "long wide curves" or any other method. This is a guide which was issued to all of the 109 Staffel commanders. The documentary relies entirely on anecdote and not factual, objective tests. As per the excerpt I posted above, there were tests done of the 109E vs Allied planes by the Germans, but also by the French, British, and Russian. Guess what? They all agreed, the 109E did not turn well, it was inferior to French, British and Soviet planes in that regard. Both the British and Soviet tests, indicated a turn time of approx. 25 seconds. I can provide anecdotes and combat reports which suggest the Hurricane was faster than the 109E, the following details how a Hurricane pilot chased down and shot down a 109E: ![]() Here's a link to another report where a Hurricane chased down a 109E http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.o...ler-7oct40.pdf Does that mean the Hurricane was always faster than the 109E? No, they're just anecdotes of a situation which happened in combat. The British did at least 4 separate different tests of the 109 vs Hurricanes and Spitfires, and all the tests were conclusive. At all speeds and in all types of turn contests, the Spitfires and Hurricanes were superior. Below one with Hurricane: http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.o...ricane-109.pdf Yes, the Germans liked their plane, it had definite advantages, but it also had weaknesses, and turn contests were often fatal. Yes, any plane can outturn any plane given the most optimum circumstance, ie. full fuel on one, nearly empty on another, one with superior alt or E etc. But in a balanced situation, the 109E was not a good choice to turnfight in. Which is why the German pilots who knew the facts made their recommendations for 109E's not to turn fight. This is a wonderful example of a wishful thinking thread made up by someone who obviously can't master the skill required to fight in the vertical and is letting his frustration get the better of him rather than working on improving his skills. Last edited by *Buzzsaw*; 11-27-2012 at 02:44 AM. |
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I don't really trust anybody. So I'll never be satisfied. You hear so many different stories from so many different sources you don't know witch one to take as truth. I guess fly one yourself is the only way. Anything an allied pilot does when he's flying a 109 the German pilot can do it better and the same with a Spitfire. Molders took a Spitfire for a test and didn't like it at all. He thought it flew like a civil aircraft. An American pilot took a 109 up and couldn't believe it he said his friend should have had 180 109 kills not 18.
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All Allied aircraft are the whores of the Sunday History Channel as far as I'm concerned. I couldn't care less how great they are. I wouldn't be caught dead in one. Especially a Mustang.
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All the fighter planes of the era were works of art as far as I'm concerned. You see one up close, sit in the cockpit, see the engine start up and feel the ground shake, you get a real feel for what a thrill it must have been to fly them. All the old Aces I have talked to, from Germans like Franz Stigler or Canadians or Americans all get that gleam in their eye when they talk about flying the planes. By the way, Franz Stigler thought the P-51 was hell of an aircraft, he flew a captured one during the war for evaluation purposes, and he flew nearly every German fighter including the 109, 190 and 262. |
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People should read more books for Cpt. Brown. He flew more different aircraft than anyone.
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This manoeuvre might have been in many cases a good excape manoeuvre because of a speed advantage of the 109 combined perhaps with a better climb performance when using a slow climb rate. With enough speed advantage there is no way a plance could catch up just by short cutting when the curve is wide enough however nimble the chasing plane was but it allowed to keep an eye on the pursuing aircraft which was likely the reason to fly a wide curve ![]() |
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