Things like this ruin this great game

[roptor90]

King-Tiger ( slope in degrees from the vertical )

Front Upper Hull ( Glacis ): 150 mm @ 50°
Lower Hull Front: 100 mm @ 50°

JagdTiger ( slope in degrees from the vertical )

Front Superstructure: 250 mm @ 15°
Front Upper Hull: 150mm @ 50°
Front Lower Hull: 100mm @ 50°

They were on the same chassis exept lenght.

"Quasi Same" chassis pictures:
http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/59...2F7B0FA0DBE10/
http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/59...29A457C20A14B/
http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/59...555CAF5C0F71B/

Here is the another comparision

Panther G ( slope in degrees from the vertical )
Front Lower Hull: 60 mm @ 55°

http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/59...03DA4CD339FCF/

(Sources)
http://www.achtungpanzer.com/panzerk...sd-kfz-171.htm
http://www.fprado.com/armorsite/tiger2.htm
http://www.achtungpanzer.com/jagdpan...sd-kfz-186.htm

[KnightFandragon]

Men of war has the armor settings for the King Tiger at:
180mm for Turret and 150mm for Hull

Panther it has it at:
100mm for Turret and 80mm for Hull

Im not sure if it accounts for the lower hull but the other armor settings are about right. JagdTiger it has like 250mm of armor....

If you are thinking the Armor slopes are off a bit, this game does the slope backwards....instead of 60 degrees of armor for the T34 it has it at 30Degrees, which is 60 from 90degrees instead of 60 degrees from 0.....it took me awhile to figure out the armor slope but it makes sense to me now. Im sure the Panther and KT are sloped right as well.

[roptor90]

For an example, these 3 tanks (Super Pershing, IS3 and Black Prince engage the King-Tiger of course with good old stereotype tactic: detrack, with some luck gun disposal and very risky final maneuver - flanking it with others (cheaper T-34/85, Sherman) in left upper corner...

http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/59...EB4728DC4F870/

Nothing special here, BUT !

Exactly the same 3 tanks (Super Pershing, IS3 and Black Prince) are already in range of which can penetrate/damage/destroy the 100mm lower hull plate on both JagdTiger and King-Tiger tanks with single APCR shot, and in this case there is no reason why risk their further unnecessarily casualties with those flanking tanks...

http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/59...C85718AAA30CB/

http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/59...CC2C54D2574C7/

( Its very hard to find that spot on that Tiger II but its pointless, because you can not penetrate it, even at these ranges with JagdTiger and feedback )

http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/59...2D94826E6080D/

http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/59...0325F86804B46/

http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/59...0617156772D83/

( Friendly fire is turned on )


But lets go back to our example...

Now, after Tiger II was detracked, its time to flank it...

http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/59...1E0E4075BCDBC/

http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/59...CF6EE02672259/

Boom and done !! Closed deal with one single King-Tiger...

Meanwhile...

But damm ! Where from did came that Panther here ?

http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/59...55414E94605BF/

http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/59...B999C571E6A3F/

Or this Panzer 4 ?

http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/59...45CE131D3FD41/

Or this Hetzer ???

http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/59...5C08D93621283/

The ambush tanks can not engage 3 tanks (Super Pershing, IS3 and Black Prince) because they are too far

http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/59...0728BFF7AD2D9/

http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/59...A66583D35F6B8/

But they destroyed the flanking tanks, just like that for free.
And the score is very bad for allied.

PS: MOW has not APCR shells, but situation is the same for nearer ranges and AP shells.