Fw 190 - numbers for A-8 and A-9

[Crumpp]

Prove these comments with some properly sourced info

Keep reading the thread...you are included in the usual suspects! Your question is already answered, Kaiser Söze.

[MiloMorai]

So Crumpp. JG301 was only one of many units flying the Fw190A.

I already posted that JG301, an all weather unit, was flying Fw190A-9/R11s.

As of March 19 1945

Stab J.G. 301 FW 190 A-9/R11
I./J.G. 301 FW 190 A-9/R11
II./J.G. 301 FW 190 A-9/R11
III./J.G. 301 FW 190 A-9/R11

http://fw190.hobbyvista.com/oob.htm

[MiloMorai]

Deliveries from Aug 1944

Aug-44 FW 190A 8 Fw 367
Aug-44 FW 190A 8 Ago 220
Aug-44 FW 190A 8/R2 Fieseler 202
Aug-44 FW 190A 8 Arb.G. 61
Aug-44 FW 190A 9 Arb.G. 30

Sep-44 FW 190A 8 Fw 140
Sep-44 FW 190A 8 R11 Fw 14
Sep-44 FW 190A 8 Ago 252
Sep-44 FW 190A 8 R2 Fieseler 159
Sep-44 FW 190A 8 Dornier 10
Sep-44 FW 190A 8 Arb.Gem. 63
Sep-44 FW 190A 9 Arb.Gem. 47
Sep-44 FW 190A 9 Fw 75
Sep-44 FW 190A 9 R11 Fw 55

Oct-44 FW 190A 8 Fw 4
Oct-44 FW 190A 8 R11 Fw 79
Oct-44 FW 190A 8 Ago 205
Oct-44 FW 190A 8 R2 GFW 123
Oct-44 FW 190A 8 NDW 28
Oct-44 FW 190A 9 NDW 6
Oct-44 FW 190A 8 Arb.Gem.W. 56
Oct-44 FW 190A 9 Arb.Gem.W. 8
Oct-44 FW 190A 9 R11 Fw 80

Nov-44 FW 190A 8 Fw 37
Nov-44 FW 190A 8 R11 Fw 33
Nov-44 FW 190A 8 Ago 263
Nov-44 FW 190A 8 HWO 80
Nov-44 FW 190A 8 Arb.Gem.W. 61
Nov-44 FW 190A 8 GFW 19
Nov-44 FW 190A 8 R2 GFW 88
Nov-44 FW 190A 8 NDW 72
Nov-44 FW 190A 9 NDW 2
Nov-44 FW 190A 9 HWO 20
Nov-44 FW 190A 9 Arb.Gem.W. 27
Nov-44 FW 190A 9 R11 Fw 58

Dec-44 DOCUMENT NOT YET FOUND

Jan-45 FW 190A-8 FW 8
Jan-45 FW 190A-8 Ar.Parow 4
Jan-45 FW 190A-8 HWO 53
Jan-45 FW 190A-8 Do.P'berg 120
Jan-45 FW 190A-8 Con.Aslau 10
Jan-45 FW 190A-8 Ago 186
Jan-45 FW 190A-8 R2 GFW 51
Jan-45 FW 190A-9 Ago 7
Jan-45 FW 190A-9 Do.P'berg 32
Jan-45 FW 190A-9 HWO 20
Jan-45 FW 190A9 R11 FW 73
Jan-45 FW 190A-9 Ar.Parow 8
Jan-45 FW 190A-9 FW 6

Feb-45 DOCUMENT NOT YET FOUND

Mar-45 DOCUMENT NOT YET FOUND

Apr-45 ONLY PARTIALLY DOCUMENTED - NOT YET FOUND
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As can be seen, even in Jan 1945 (delivery of pure fighters) there was 308 more A-8s delivered than A-9s. (381-73 = 308 )

[JG52Uther]

Discuss the subject, but keep the personal stuff out of your replies please.

[Crumpp]

Jan-45 FW 190A-8 FW 8
Jan-45 FW 190A-8 Ar.Parow 4
Jan-45 FW 190A-8 HWO 53
Jan-45 FW 190A-8 Do.P'berg 120
Jan-45 FW 190A-8 Con.Aslau 10
Jan-45 FW 190A-8 Ago 186
Jan-45 FW 190A-8 R2 GFW 51
Jan-45 FW 190A-9 Ago 7
Jan-45 FW 190A-9 Do.P'berg 32
Jan-45 FW 190A-9 HWO 20
Jan-45 FW 190A9 R11 FW 73
Jan-45 FW 190A-9 Ar.Parow 8
Jan-45 FW 190A-9 FW 6

Feb-45 DOCUMENT NOT YET FOUND

Mar-45 DOCUMENT NOT YET FOUND

Apr-45 ONLY PARTIALLY DOCUMENTED - NOT YET FOUND

even in Jan 1945

The first month out of the year....

Of course, we see the same thing in JG301 but that does not matter, does it?? The rest of the year does not count, only the first month!!!

Got it.

[MiloMorai]

Well it is hard to give the deliveries if there is no documentaion.

to quote the author

I have yet to track down the OKL delivery reports for Dec-44 and the Feb- to April-45 period.

You have the missing documentation for Dec 1944, Feb 1945, March 1945 and April 1945 Crumpp, so the blank months can be filled in?

IVJG 3,
II JG 4,
II JG 6,
II JG 11,
STAB JG 51,
II JG 54,
and II JG 300 were all flying Fw190As at wars end.

Were are the loss lists for these units? Could it be you are being selective in what you post Crumpp because the above units had Fw190A-8 losses right up to the last days?

[fruitbat]

Originally Posted by Crumpp

Of course, we see the same thing in JG301 but that does not matter, does it?? The rest of the year does not count, only the first month!!!

Got it.

Of course JG301 was the only unit flying antons,

got it.

Oh wait, thats not true........

Well done, you have proved that JG301 was flying A9's, as has already been posted by Milo earlier. Of course you ignore that they were flying all weather, which apparently doesn't count for A8's, but is OK to count for A9's.

Still waiting for some actual evidence, but we know it will never actually come, you have used the same excuse many times before.

[fruitbat]

Originally Posted by MiloMorai

IVJG 3,
II JG 4,
II JG 6,
II JG 11,
STAB JG 51,
II JG 54,
and II JG 300 were all flying Fw190As at wars end.

adding to this list a little bit, just a cursory look through

http://www.ww2.dk/

(I got as far as JG11, and had laughed enough by then)

JG1, II Gruppe
JG2, I Gruppe, II Gruppe, III Gruppe
JG11, I Gruppe.

These all flew exclusively Antons to the end or disbandment @ march 45

This doesn't even include the units that were flying a mix of Doras and Antons.

[Crumpp]

Fruitbat says:

adding to this list a little bit, just a cursory look through

It gives the right appearence so who cares what the facts are as long you are right, fruitbat.

German Order of Battle - Statistics as of Quarter Years, 1938-45
Flugzeugbestände und Bewegungsmeldungen, 3.42 - 12.44

http://www.ww2.dk/

Like all the data posted so far for OOB besides the JG301 I posted, it is only for the first month of 1945 or very incomplete.

I would say you have proven your case!!

[Crumpp]

Well it is hard to give the deliveries if there is no documentaion.

Then why keep posting nonsense?

Oh yeah, you are not doing it to prove a point in a discussion, you are doing it to prove me wrong.

You don't need facts, just a perception. It is the internet!!