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Alpha, do try to clue in as this thread has nothing to do with the game but about history. |
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This is the original discussion, another moderator split the discussion into two threads, it was originally about the game but as this discussions hit rock bottom
I thought I would give some original thread starting input. http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=38866 Accurate aircraft production/losses/availability around these times 1944-45 must be at best unreliable with holes in some of the data, because of the many changes made to units who merged or were replaced to concentrate their fighter units capabilities. The state of flux probably meant they flew what ever was serviceable at the time regardless of what was produced and sent to serviceable units. Perhaps if some one actually has 1945 data pertinent to the A9 to share, with the source, it might make interesting viewing, but not essential as its not important to the game. This may have already been posted but you can view for info regarding not all being R/11's or unidentified variants. The Focke-Wulf 190 A-9 Listing Part I Focke-Wulf 190 A-9s built by Focke-Wulf at Cottbus, PartI http://fw190.hobbyvista.com/a-9.htm FW 190 A-9 Listing W.Nr Stkz. Date Unit Code Remarks 202 170 4./J.G.301 Typo? Crashed after combat 01.01.45 W. Stendal, pilot Uffz. Benno Berkler killed 202 242 1./J.G.301 Crashed at Einbeckhausen after combat 26.11.44, pilot Lt. Fritz Brinkmann killed 202 319 2./J.G.301 Typo for 202 391? Crashed at Röhrensee after combat 21.11.44, pilot Uffz. Willy Peterreit killed 202 360 202 361 3./J.G.301 A-9/R11, crashed after combat 26.11.44 at Pohle, pilot Ofw. Erich Meyer killed 202 362 2./J.G.301 Crashed after combat 26.11.44 at Pretzen, pilot Uffz. Ernst Peiz killed 202 362 4./J.G.301 'Yellow 1 + -' Crashed after combat 05.12.44, location unknown, pilot Lt. Max Kreil killed 202 363 202 364 202 365 5./J.G.301 'White 17 + -' Missing location unknown 08.02.45, pilot Uffz. Heinz Fürste missing 202 366 1./J.G.301 Crashed after combat 26.11.44 at Hameln, pilot Uffz. Walter Kircheiss killed 202 367 202 368 202 369 202 370 4./J.G.301 A-9/R11, force-landing after combat 26.11.44 at Niendorf, pilot Uffz. Gottfried Hellriegel wounded 202 371 2./J.G.301 Missing 02.03.45 location unknown, pilot Ofw. Hans Schäfer missing 202 372 1./J.G.301 Crashed after combat 27.11.44 location unknown, pilot Obfhr. Gerhard Golze wounded 202 373 3./J.G.301 A-9/R11, crashed after combat 26.11.44 at Hessisch-Oldendorf, pilot Fw. Erwin Seifert killed 202 374 1./J.G.301 Crash-landing after combat at Stendal 21.11.44, pilot Fw. Herbert Böwer wounded 202 375 1./J.G.301 A-9/R11, crashed after combat 27.11.44 at Wetteborn, pilot Uffz. Hans Zaren FSA killed 202 376 202 377 4./J.G.301 A-9/R11, crashed after combat 26.11.44 at Völksen, pilot Uffz. Anton Schmidt killed 202 378 7./J.G.301 'Yellow 10 + -' Recorded as 208 378, crashed after combat 14.02.45 location unknown, pilot Ofw. Helmut Stöber killed 202 379 2./J.G.301 Crashed after combat at Bökau 21.11.44, pilot Uffz. Klaus Jacobi killed 202 380 202 381 202 382 202 383 202 384 1./J.G.301 Crashed during training at Stendal 19.11.44, pilot Fw. Franz Modrow killed 202 385 202 386 4./J.G.301 A-9/R11, crashed after combat 27.11.44 at Hörsum, pilot Uffz. Alfred Bokr killed 202 387 1./J.G.301 Crashed after combat 05.12.44 at Fürstensee, pilot Fw. Ernst Leyer killed 202 388 202 389 202 390 202 391 202 392 202 393 202 394 1./J.G.301 A-9/R11, crashed after combat 27.11.44 at Göttingen, pilot Uffz. Artur Appelt killed 202 395 202 396 202 397 202 398 1./J.G.301 Crashed at Fl.Pl. Salzwedel 16.10.44, pilot Fw. Georg Scharein killed 202 399 202 400 202 401 202 402 1./J.G.301 Crashed after combat 20.01.45 at Taucha, pilot Uffz. Josef Idstein killed 202 403 3./J.G.301 Crashed 04.02.45 E. Oder/Neisse, pilot Fw. Franz Domhöfer killed 202 404 1./J.G.301 Crashed after combat 05.12.44 at Göttingen, pilot Obfhr. Gerhard Golze wounded 202 405 202 406 3./J.G.301 A-9/R11, crashed after combat 26.11.44 at Nettelrede, pilot Ofw. Josef Löffler killed 202 407 202 408 2./J.G.301 Crashed after combat 27.03.45 at Salzwedel, pilot Fw. Herbert Müller killed 202 409 202 410 202 411 202 412 202 413 202 414 202 415 7./J.G.301 'Yellow 17 + -' Force-landing at Meerdorf 26.11.44, pilot Uffz. Heinz Schulze wounded 202 416 202 417 202 418 2./J.G.301 A-9/R11, crashed after combat 27.11.44 at Küllstedt, pilot Uffz. Gustav Wimmer killed 202 419 2./J.G.301 Crashed after combat at Langensalza 21.11.44, pilot Fw. Viktor Gstrein killed 202 420 202 421 3./J.G.301 'Yellow 15 + ' Crashed after combat at Jena 21.11.44, pilot Obgefr. Franz Harrer killed 202 422 202 423 202 424 6./J.G.301 'Red 7 + -' Crashed after combat 21.11.44 at Könitz, pilot Ofw. Hans Wagler killed 202 425 202 426 202 427 2./J.G.301 Crashed after combat 25.02.45 at Fl.Pl. Salzwedel, pilot Fw. Gerhard Schmidt killed 202 428 4./J.G.301 Crashed after combat at Rotenburg 31.12.44, pilot Uffz. Manfred Hillert wounded 202 429 7./J.G.301 'Yellow 5 + -' A-9/R11, crashed after combat 26.11.44 at Bledeln/Sarstedt, Uffz. Paul Stargardt wounded 202 430 5./J.G.301 'White 4 + -' A-9/R11, crashed after combat 26.11.44 at Gronow, pilot Fw. Otto-Georg Müller wounded 202 431 202 432 202 433 7./J.G.301 'Yellow 4 + -' A-9/R11, crashed after combat 26.11.44 at Peine, pilot Fw. Friedrich Röglsperger wounded 202 434 3./J.G.301 Crashed after combat 21.11.44 at Langensalza, pilot Lt. Klaus Pagel killed 202 435 1./J.G.301 Crashed after combat 21.11.44 at Gross Möhring, pilot Gefr. Johann Meindl wounded 202 436 202 437 202 438 202 439 202 440 202 441 202 442 202 443 1./J.G.301 Damaged in combat 05.12.44 at Neustrelitz, pilot Fw. Gerhard Koch wounded 202 444 3./J.G.301 Crashed after combat at Possneck 21.11.44, pilot Lt. Hermann Engelhardt wounded 202 445 202 446 202 447 7./J.G.301 'Yellow 8 + -' A-9/R11, crashed after combat 26.11.44 at Hestenbeck, pilot Lt. Heinz-Ludwig Günther killed 202 448 3./J.G.301 Crashed after combat 21.11.44 at Klein-Lochmar, pilot and Staffelkapitän Oblt. Heinz Weise FSA and wounded 202 449 202 450 202 565 4./J.G.301 A-9/R11, crashed after combat 26.11.44 at Bückeburg 26.11.44, pilot Fw. Emil Schubert killed 202 590 3./J.G.301 Typo? A-9/R11, crashed after combat 26.11.44 at Hessisch-Oldendorf, pilot Uffz. Willi Kuke killed 203 386 4./J.G.301 Typo? Crash-landing after combat 14.01.45 at Kyritz, pilot Fw. Emil Schubert wounded 205 001 205 002 205 003 205 004 205 005 205 006 205 007 205 008 205 009 205 010 1./J.G.301 Damaged during ground-attack mission 25.01.45 at Posen, pilot Fhnr. Gunter Hoffmann wounded 205 011 205 012 205 013 205 014 205 015 205 016 205 017 205 018 205 019 205 020 205 021 205 022 205 023 205 024 205 025 205 026 205 027 205 028 Stab J.G.1 'Green 7 + ' Crashed after combat 26.11.44 at Lewfreda, pilot Gefr. Ernst Nikoleizak killed 205 029 205 030 205 031 205 032 Stab J.G.1 'Green 14 + ' Landing accident 17.12.44 at Fl.Pl. Twente, pilot Uffz. Alfred Podszuweit 205 033 Stab J.G.11 'Black 4 + ' Crashed in Holland or Belgium 01.01.45, pilot and Geschwaderkommodore Oberstleutnant Gunther Specht missing 205 034 205 035 205 036 205 037 205 038 205 039 205 040 205 041 205 042 205 043 205 044 205 045 205 046 205 047 205 048 205 049 205 050 205 051 205 052 205 053 205 054 205 055 205 056 205 057 205 058 205 059 205 060 8./J.G.301 'Blue 6 + -' Crashed after combat 31.12.44 at Eichholz, pilot Uffz. Franz Leeb FSA and wounded 205 061 205 062 205 063 205 064 205 065 205 066 205 067 6./J.G.301 'Red 12 + -' Crashed due to anti-aircraft fire 01.02.45, pilot Lt. Hermann Helm killed 205 068 2./J.G.301 Crashed after combat 14.01.45 at Barenthin, pilot Fw. Otto Sturm killed 205 069 205 070 205 071 205 072 205 073 205 074 205 075 205 076 205 077 205 078 205 079 205 080 205 081 205 082 205 083 5./J.G.301 'White 17 + -' Crashed 19.11.44 at Fl.Pl. Sachau, pilot Uffz. Anton Obermaier killed 205 084 205 085 205 086 205 087 205 088 205 089 4./J.G.301 Crashed after combat 20.01.45 at Dreihaken, pilot Uffz. Gottfried Hellriegel killed 205 090 205 091 205 092 205 093 205 094 205 095 205 096 205 097 205 098 205 099 205 100 205 118 15./J.G.54 'Yellow 1 + ' Force-landing 14.01.45 at Broxten, pilot and Staffelführer Lt. Karl Resch killed 205 180 205 181 205 182 205 183 205 184 205 185 205 186 7./J.G.1 'Yellow 15 + ' Crashed after combat 26.11.44 at Fl.Pl. Stendal, pilot and Staffelführer Lt. Otto Bach killed 205 187 205 188 205 189 205 190 205 191 205 192 205 193 205 194 205 195 205 196 09.44 Fl.Ü.G.1 Crashed due to technical problems 16.09.44 at Nummeltitz, pilot Uffz. Richard Hartmann unwounded 205 197 205 198 205 199 205 200 205 201 205 202 205 203 205 204 16./J.G.54 Crashed after combat 25.12.44 in the St. Vith area, pilot Fhr. Erwin Schomert mising 205 205 II./J.G.1 Crashed at Wiezen after combat 05.02.45 205 206 4./J.G.26 'Blue 6 + ' Landing accident Fl.Pl. Greven 04.11.44, pilot Lt. Heinz Kemethmüller wounded 205 207 205 208 205 209 205 210 205 211 205 212 205 213 205 214 205 215 205 216 205 217 205 218 205 219 205 220 205 221 205 222 205 223 205 224 205 225 205 226 4./J.G.1 'Red 4 + ' Crashed after combat 14.01.45 at Fl.Pl. Twente, pilot Uffz. Wolfgang Kindhauser wounded 205 227 205 228 14./J.G.54 'Black 11 + ' Crashed after combat 17.12.44 in Düren area, pilot Obfhr. Werner Timpe missing 205 229 205 230 205 231 205 232 205 233 09.44 2./J.G.54 'Black 13 + ' Crashed 30.10.44 after combat 12 km N.W. Vainoda, pilot Fw Hugo Welsch missing 205 233 09.44 Fl.Ü.G.1 Crashed at Bronkow near Finsterwalde 25.09.44, pilot Fw. Günther Dallinger killed 205 234 205 235 1./J.G.54 'White 5 + ' Crashed 30.10.44 after combat W. Schruden, pilot Uffz. Gerhard Meinecke wounded 205 236 205 237 1./J.G.54 'White 16 + ' Engine damaged in combat 30.10.44 in Autz area, pilot Uffz. Walter Köpp FSA and killed 205 238 205 239 205 240 205 241 205 242 15./J.G.54 'Yellow 13 + ' Crashed after combat 25.12.44 at Herrschbach, pilot Uffz. Hans Mai killed 205 243 205 244 205 245 205 246 Stab J.G.3 'Red 22 + ' Missing after combat 02.12.44, pilot Fw. Heinz Losch missing 205 247 205 248 205 249 1./J.G.26 'White 2 + ' Crashed due to anti-aircraft fire 21.10.44 at Wesel, pilot Ofw. Heinrich Teilken killed 205 250 205 251 205 252 205 253 205 254 205 255 205 256 205 257 205 258 205 259 205 260 205 261 205 262 205 263 205 264 205 265 13.(Sturm)/J.G.3 'White 6 + ' Crashed after combat 24.12.44 in Luik area, pilot and Staffelkapitän Hptm. Wolfgang Kosse missing 205 266 205 267 205 268 205 269 205 270 205 271 205 272 205 273 205 274 205 275 205 276 205 277 205 278 205 279 6.(Sturm)/J.G.300 'Green 3 + -' Crashed after combat 24.03.45 at Göttingen, pilot Fw. Ewald Preis killed 205 280 4./J.G.26 'Blue 8 + ' Crashed after combat 10.12.44 at Neurath/Grevenbroich, pilot Gefr. Reinhard Anselment killed 205 281 205 282 205 283 205 284 205 285 205 286 205 287 205 288 205 289 1./J.G.26 'White 7 + ' Landing accident at Fl.Pl. Krefeld 15.10.44, pilot Obgefr. Josef Leder killed 205 290 205 291 205 292 205 293 205 294 205 295 205 296 205 297 205 298 205 299 205 300 Last edited by KG26_Alpha; 04-07-2013 at 11:41 PM. |
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It would appear that most A-9 production was not 'pure' fighters but all weather fighters.
Source: "Focke-Wulf Jagdflugzeug 190A, Fw190D, Ta152" by Rodeike [Struve-Druck, 1998] Fw190A-9 Focke-Wulf, Cottbus WNr.202360 to WNr.202450 - 09.44 to 09.44 - up to 90 examples (mainly Fw190A-9/R11) WNr.205001 to WNr.205100 - 09.44 to 09.44 - up to 100 examples (mainly Fw190A-9/R11) WNr.205180 to WNr.205300 - 09.44 to 10.44 - up to 120 examples (mainly Fw190A-9/R11) WNr.205901 to WNr.205999 - 10.44 to 11.44 - up to 100 examples (mainly Fw190A-9/R11) WNr.206031 to WNr.206200 - 11.44 to 12.44 - up to 170 examples (mainly Fw190A-9/R11) WNr.207160 to WNr.207240 - 12.44 to 01.45 - up to 80 examples (mainly Fw190A-9/R11) Focke-Wulf, Aslau WNr.490020 to WNr.490050 - 12.44 to 01.45 - up to 30 examples Unknown WNr.560020 to WNr.560030 - 02.45 to 02.45 - 10 examples Mimetall, Erfurt WNr.750070 to WNr.750160 - 08.44 to 09.44 - up to 90 examples Norddeutsche Dornier, Wismar WNr.980150 to WNr.980230 - 12.44 to 01.45 - up to 50 examples WNr.980360 to WNr.380380 - 01.45 to 01.45 - up to 20 examples WNr.980540 to WNr.980590 - 01.45 to 02.45 - up to 50 examples (many to Fw190A-9/R11) |
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Again, this thread has nothing to do with the game. |
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If Bundesarchive document material is published here its probably worth looking at, but as far as a discussion goes its null and void as most that's posted here is some one else's research and it all looks regurgitated into another form from the same source, including mine.
The rest of the threads aimed at debunking Crumpps original unfounded post of course, at best it was made from the same unofficial material everyone else has quoted and interpreted to suit what ever opinion felt that day. Last edited by KG26_Alpha; 04-12-2013 at 09:44 PM. |
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While searching the Inet for something else came across this posted on the Ubi Il-2 board:
Kettenhunde (aka Crump) 12-10-2009 Quote:
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