Okay, so the Western version can now have the epilepsy filter switched off.....but...

Mysticpuma · #1 03-29-2011, 09:33 AM

......does this mean that having an option to switch the Filter off will then switch off in-game details that were considered the reason for first introducing it?

So "Switch-on" Frame-rates suffer but all effects are enabled, "Switch-Off" and Epilepsy Filter is Disabled but so are lots of the effects?

Just asking if this is what the Option will mean?

Good news that it will be optional, but what does the option do to the game after switching it off?

Cheers, MP

Posted by Luthier for those who didn't see the announcement that the Filter will be optional;

From Luthier:

"Hello everyone,

Once again I want to point out that a lot of your earlier anger was misplaced. Actually, our colleagues at Ubisoft are extremely interested in making this game a success, they care about our opinion and yours, and everyone we work with there is understanding and cordial and more than willing to listen and change their mind.

Having said that, I'm glad to announce that the debacle has been resolved.

We will be making the filter optional, however turned on by default. And we will be adding a large epilepsy warning to our splash screen. "

#2 03-29-2011, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Mysticpuma

......does this mean that having an option to switch the Filter off will then switch off in-game details that were considered the reason for first introducing it?

So "Switch-on" Frame-rates suffer but all effects are enabled, "Switch-Off" and Epilepsy Filter is Disabled but so are lots of the effects?

Just asking if this is what the Option will mean?

Good news that it will be optional, but what does the option do to the game after switching it off?

Cheers, MP

As I understood, anti epilepsy filter reduces or shuts some effects (prop effects etc.)...with filter set to OFF those effects are back....

Vevster · #3 03-29-2011, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Tvrdi

As I understood, anti epilepsy filter reduces or shuts some effects (prop effects etc.)...with filter set to OFF those effects are back....

That's whatI understood too.

The team ddn't have time to work on those between the time the impact of the filter was announced & yesterday, imo.

klem · #4 03-29-2011, 10:03 AM

Does this also mean that 1C will not now be dumbing down those effects we would get when the filter is Off? Or is the long-game to dumb down the effects anyway?

Luthier?

svanen · #5 03-29-2011, 10:06 AM

Where did you read this, is it official somewhere?

adonys · #6 03-29-2011, 10:20 AM

Guys, you need the facts, first before anything, and the facts at this moment are the following:

- MG (Maddox Games) started to address epilepsy issues in IL2 at UBI's request
- they've put out of the game (previously announced as for good, as in forever) some of them (there's no list of this, just Luthier's statement, but it included the cockpit view propeller's arc) - in both IL2 CoD and BoB
- at the point MG understood there's no time to address them all before release, they've stopped addressing the effects individually and started to put up the full screen filter - in both IL2 CoD and BoB

- after we've found out, and due to rampage on the forums, Luthier said 1C version BoB will accept an optional filter (or even removing it for good) and stop individually addressing effects to meet epilepsy requirements, but the UBI version CoD will have the filter permanent (or at least until all effects will be addressed individually, making the filter obsolete)
- Luthier also said that it might re-add/un-cripple the list of individual effects already modified to meet the epilepsy requirement in the 1C's BoB version before turning to the filter solution (yet, it might not equals for sure)
- after more ranting UBI sais it will make the filter optional

BUT

- making the filter optional doesn't mean they won't further continue to address (read cripple) effects individually in order to meet epilepsy requirements
- and even if they stop further individually addressing the effects, it also doesn't mean they will re-add/un-cripple the already modified effects crippled to meet the epilepsy requirements

We need an official clarification of these two problems from UBI/Luthier in order to consider the CoD at par with BoB

Of course, all of the above assuming UBI is not just lying to us in order to not drop the launch sales. We can only check this in time, by comparing the visuals from the two different editions (Cod vs BoB)..

adonys · #7 03-29-2011, 10:27 AM

We already knew that statement, and it doesn't mean anything, please see my above post (and add it to your first one on this thread, to keep all the relevant info in the first post of the thread, as it might grow and people won't read it all).

Mysticpuma · #8 03-29-2011, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Tvrdi

As I understood, anti epilepsy filter reduces or shuts some effects (prop effects etc.)...with filter set to OFF those effects are back....

It gets more complex though as the Epilepsy Filter does (I read it the same way you did) 'smooth' the Epilepsy inducing effects, but switching it off would bring them back....with possibility of a huge lawsuit for Ubi/1C.

The reason it was there was that they were worried (we were told) of possible Lawsuits, but now a Splash Screen will suffice. Turning the Filter Off means that you agree to being affected?

Now, if it was such a huge issue before release and the filter had to be installed, then I worry that other measures may be needed to calm the lawyers and so disabling the Epilepsy Filter, I presume (note "I presume" as I don't know so asking for clarification) would mean that all effects are enabled including the ones that could induce the possible litigation for causing seizures.

So I just wonder if disabling the Filter will lead to a toning down of the effects (for litigation safety) but enabling the filter smooths the effects but in-a-way reduces them?

Confusing for me. So the OP is "does disabling the filter enable everything with particles, smoke, effects, lighting, propellers all left unmolested by the filter?"

Cheers, MP

cato_larsen · #9 03-29-2011, 10:30 AM

From the statement you can read on thing.... Well many words of course. One should be correct when talking to the majority here. One thing.....
Filter is optional and can be turned off. And optional setting means you have it on or off, sometimes it mean more as well, like a medium setting, but in this case, on or off.

A filter works as..... well. a filter, it filterate something in or out or on or off or things in that line... So with the filter ON some effects or issues or something will be filerated away, like pornographic filter for your kids machine or your machine, as I am sure some in here are not old enough to have such filter off.

Sometimes it is very important to have the correct info from developers or anyone who is selling stuff or whatever they do, but in this case the answer has been given.

With it turned off at default, and a message with warnings, and the way to turn it on is actually in the .INI itself, people would have to actually turn it on by altering a :INI file, in wich case they know what they are doing and have been given a warning to what can happen.

There is a warning on microwave ovens, atleast in USA, where it says you should not dry your pets in there as they will explode and die. If you by any chance still do it, you cannot file a lawsuit agains the developers. Same thing applies here.

Vevster · #10 03-29-2011, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by adonys

We already knew that statement, and it doesn't mean anything.

So an official statement that the filter will be optional for the western version doesn't mean anything, while a statement some days ago from the same person that the filter would be removed from the russian version and kept for the western version meant something?

Doesn't seem strange to you?