the air forces know the secret for uber piloting the sports world doesnt

[raaaid]

i have several world record racing online and i feel like i cheated because i do something that i dont know nobody else does it

most people use in their joystick wheel 400º of lock, i use 40º

i texted extensively and in any racing game theres at least two seconds difference between both set ups i get

think about it wwi fighters sticks had a run like 50 cm modern fighter joystick run is like 5 cm

what i dont understand is why real racers dont use high sensitivity

[5./JG27.Farber]

The reason i am trying to replicate the 109 controls. Imagine the sensitivity on a trim wheel (elevator) on a saitek (the small rotary) diameter less than 20mm compared to a wheel of 300mm! 1mm rotation would be nothing on a 300mm wheel yet on the small wheel it is almost 1 degree of trim!

Same with a full length stick compared to a desktop stick!

[Outlaw]

Originally Posted by 5./JG27.Farber

The reason i am trying to replicate the 109 controls. Imagine the sensitivity on a trim wheel (elevator) on a saitek (the small rotary) diameter less than 20mm compared to a wheel of 300mm! 1mm rotation would be nothing on a 300mm wheel yet on the small wheel it is almost 1 degree of trim!

Same with a full length stick compared to a desktop stick!

I use a 10 turn pot for elevator trim connected through one of Bodnar's old boards.

It is very smooth.

--Outlaw.

[winny]

Originally Posted by raaaid

i have several world record racing online and i feel like i cheated because i do something that i dont know nobody else does it

most people use in their joystick wheel 400º of lock, i use 40º

i texted extensively and in any racing game theres at least two seconds difference between both set ups i get

think about it wwi fighters sticks had a run like 50 cm modern fighter joystick run is like 5 cm

what i dont understand is why real racers dont use high sensitivity

Er... They do, an f1 car will reach full lock in less than one turn of the steering wheel, compared with 1 ish for road cars. Most racing cars have more sensitive steering wheels.

[hegykc]

The magic word here is precision. It's been a while since I've raced on a pc. If I'm not mistaken the GT cars have 270 or 180 degree steering lock.
And if you're racing a simulation that's what you wanna use. Because you're simulating real life, to see how good you can get. Anything else is just childish to me, chasing numbers...

Don't know about WWI, but WWII planes had like 30 cm stick travel, the 109 25cm.
Modern fighter jets have the same. Except for the ones that use force sensing controls.

Formation flying would be next to impossible with 5cm of precision on a stick.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by hegykc

The magic word here is precision. It's been a while since I've raced on a pc. If I'm not mistaken the GT cars have 270 or 180 degree steering lock.
And if you're racing a simulation that's what you wanna use. Because you're simulating real life, to see how good you can get. Anything else is just childish to me, chasing numbers...

Don't know about WWI, but WWII planes had like 30 cm stick travel, the 109 25cm.
Modern fighter jets have the same. Except for the ones that use force sensing controls.

Formation flying would be next to impossible with 5cm of precision on a stick.

well you hardly ever use full stick travel once airborne.

[hegykc]

Oh sure you do, dogfighting, aerobatics.

But the thread title suggests it's better to have extra small stick travel, which is not true.

[raaaid]

if you want high precision you go for lot of travel

if you want to go to the limit samll travel is best

you can countersteer easy with an artificially enhanced time reaction

normally they say motorbikes turn and brake more than you do when you think youre on the limit, this is a conservation natural feeling, with small travel you beat this though on this sense high sensitivity is addictive

[hegykc]

You can't pick one or the other, you need both. On airplanes especially.
With a 5cm stick travel the aircraft would be uncontrollable in a dive due to the forces acting on control surfaces.

The 109 has exactly that problem. Small stick travel, above 400 mph the stick is impossible to move.

What you propose can only be beneficial virtually, in a game.

[WTE_Galway]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

well you hardly ever use full stick travel once airborne.

Maybe for a ludicrously extreme sideslip