Turret Gunner Controls - Page 2

swiss · #11 02-03-2011, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by B25Mitch

Personally, I think everyone should be forced to use the joystick in gun turrets - it would help the immersion, and prevent people from opting for the super-easy mouse controls.

Again: People fly the plane with stick while at THE SAME TIME control the gunner via mouse.

Should they use the stick for the gunner and fly the plane with mouse?

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Originally Posted by winny

For comparison : The ball turret on a B-17 could only do 30 degrees a second,

Only?

That's 5times faster than a modern battle tank.

Robotic Pope · #12 02-03-2011, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Wutz

So you fellows seriously think that a aircraft builder or a airforce would use slow cumbersome turrets to defend their bombers? I mean what are the turrets for? Additional targets for fighters or for defence?? I think some are mixing these turrets up with cumbersome tank or ships turrets that weighed a few tons.
Can it be those complaining about the turrets are not very skilled in attacking bombers and need to hobbel their targets so that they have a chance of any success? Also turret is not turret there are very differant kinds, and dumping all in one pot, does give the feeling that those complaining seem to be inexperianced fighter jocks.
How about doing some training then complaining that your target is not asleep?

What's your problem? This was not about skill but about realism, I was only giving another idea on the subject. So your attack on our skill was uncalled for, and the only complaining here came from the guy that would be against joystick control.

Now, when I said huge turrets I was actually thinking of a B-17 dorsal turret and imagining it spinning around at mouse speed made me laugh. From external view it would look quite comical. Although now I think about it, I really don't know how fast that thing would look spinning at full speed.

Of course all the planes would have to have different speeds of turret/gunner positions. It would be stupid to have, say a stuka gunner taking more than a split second to aim and fire.

Wutz · #13 02-03-2011, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Robotic Pope

What's your problem? This was not about skill but about realism, I was only giving another idea on the subject. So your attack on our skill was uncalled for, and the only complaining here came from the guy that would be against joystick control.

Now, when I said huge turrets I was actually thinking of a B-17 dorsal turret and imagining it spinning around at mouse speed made me laugh. From external view it would look quite comical. Although now I think about it, I really don't know how fast that thing would look spinning at full speed.

Of course all the planes would have to have different speeds of turret/gunner positions. It would be stupid to have, say a stuka gunner taking more than a split second to aim and fire.

What is your problem? So allied planes go for all planes during WWII? And realism, yeah, try again.....why don´t you openly say Bombers only AI and only at rooky level. Talking about narrow minded!
Reading posts like yours gives me always the feeling keep everything one knows for yourself, no point in sharing anything with these kind of people.

winny · #14 02-03-2011, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by swiss

Only?

That's 5times faster than a modern battle tank.

Only compared to a mouse.. I'.m pretty sure that 4 seconds would seem like a lot longer if there was a 109 bearing down on you and you needed to go from one side to another
There is a slight difference in weight between a Tank turret and a MG turret btw.

MadBlaster · #15 02-03-2011, 10:18 AM

Need to distinguish the electric turrents. Think these were often remotely controlled with computer assistance in aiming (i.e., no human at the gun). But maybe not all electrics? I can't think of any stock plane, but mod planes like the Hornisse, I think they usually put these types under AI control only. Page of interest:http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=19907 I think also, isn't this is late war stuff? So, not sure if electric will be relevant to CoD planes.

winny · #16 02-03-2011, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by MadBlaster

Need to distinguish the electric turrents. Think these were often remotely controlled with computer assistance in aiming (i.e., no human at the gun). But maybe not all electrics? I can't think of any stock plane, but mod planes like the Hornisse, I think they usually put these types under AI control only. Page of interest:http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=19907 I think also, isn't this is late war stuff? So, not sure if electric will be relevant to CoD planes.

There were no Auto Guns in the BoB era. The auto guns in that link were never actually used. It says the project was cancelled in 1944.

If CoD is going for realism then you would have to point your mouse at where you want to shoot and wait for the turret to catch you up.

MadBlaster · #17 02-03-2011, 10:48 AM

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If CoD is going for realism then you would have to point your mouse at where you want to shoot and wait for the turret to catch you up

I hope you mean for motor driven only.

Robotic Pope · #18 02-03-2011, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Wutz

What is your problem? So allied planes go for all planes during WWII? And realism, yeah, try again.....why don´t you openly say Bombers only AI and only at rooky level. Talking about narrow minded!
Reading posts like yours gives me always the feeling keep everything one knows for yourself, no point in sharing anything with these kind of people.

I know your problem now. You are the same kind of person as a certain ex-member of the 1c forums, I won't mention their name but I am sure the mods know who I am talking about. Oh and by the way please do keep all that you know to yourself in future, it would be very helpfull.

Wutz · #19 02-03-2011, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Robotic Pope

I know your problem now. You are the same kind of person as a certain ex-member of the 1c forums, I won't mention their name but I am sure the mods know who I am talking about. Oh and by the way please do keep all that you know to yourself in future, it would be very helpfull.

What ever you say.....another armchair specialist, you have just been added to the ignore list.

Avimimus · #20 02-03-2011, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Tvrdi

Did you ever saw a ww2 turret moving with your own eyes? Nope. Well I did and it moves very fast...

It really depends on the turret. Is it ring mounted? How much additional weight? Is it motorised? Is it pintle mounted? Is it turning against the airstream? Do the vibration absorbers increase friction at the bearing?