What are your favorite troops?

[Elwin]

Was quite clear , thanks got it and there are 37 of them there

[Elwin]

Now after 2nd game i have a better overview on units and so my favourites :

As for dragon emerald definetly
As for units for mid-late game :
Emerald again
Skell archer
Demon
Royal snake
Hunter
Sprite
Like fairy
Shaman
Inquisitor
For early game i like mostly
Royal snake
Inqi (if avalaible)
griphon
archmage
cannoner
ancient/polar bear

[Amidamaru86]

The best unit depends on the level difficulty and the monster you are fighing the most (like for instance in the labirynth = mostly dragons etc)

So if I know that I will encounter dragons I go skeleton archers+dragon arrows (pure ownage), or if I know I will encounter mostly melee monster I go ranged etc etc.

But in overall the best unit in the game (the most used) is the swordsman if we look at the % of the battles.

The stronges I would say:

for a warrior: early-game = swordsman, skeleton archers (in late game and provided with dragon arrows and the +initiative talent, my skeleton archers did like 20k-30k damage each turn in mid game, late game the damage was much more around 40k),
for a mage: shamman
for a palladin: early game = royal snake, mid-end game = griffin

Also I would like to note the best unit is YOUR choice, its your playing style, if you want to go pure tank+archers to do the damage then your units are different, if you want to go all melee the units are different also (like for instance griffins+flying units with no retaliation supported by 1-2 stacks of ranged units etc) = all depends on your playing style.

Personaly what I can say is that dragons are really bad (for a warrior and a paladin, for a mage a bit better) cause a warrior and a palladin will 100% get +initiative in the 1st round.

[Vilk]

Originally Posted by Elwin

Now after 2nd game i have a better overview on units and so my favourites :

As for dragon emerald definetly
As for units for mid-late game :
Emerald again
Skell archer
Demon
Royal snake
Hunter
Sprite
Like fairy
Shaman
Inquisitor
For early game i like mostly
Royal snake
Inqi (if avalaible)
griphon
archmage
cannoner
ancient/polar bear

Very cool unit selected choice. There's only one I don't like it's Archmage, but I should try use it more, the 50% damage reduction shouldn't be that bad. Also it's strange that there isn't Dryad, Demoness, Ancient Vampire, Ghost, Cursed Ghost, Elf.

Also if Archers can get a nice bonus that cannot get other range units you could not have items for that or not have slot available for it. That's when Cyclop, Evil Beholder, Royal Thorn and Hunter Thorn can be very good alternative of range units.

And that's the core point, favorite units are highly linked to items you have and can wear. Also some units are dependent of the availability of some spells, the current wife can influence preferred units and army composition too (more or less range units). To complete Amidamaru86 comment about army choice and preferred units, I suspect that in general the no range unit army is under evaluated and not much looked at. I could be wrong objectively but that's still an interesting possibility that open some different tactical options make worth more some units like Knight and Sea Dog.

For all those reasons I add those units to your list (minus Archmage):

• Dryad: That's almost cheating to use those particularly when using the Anga's Ruby. For sure they are very weak fighters so during a fight where sleep is no use they are a penalty but that's rare and their no retaliation plus summon skill are quite good points when combined with the great haste and high initiative that gives the ring.
• Demoness: Three special skills and all are excellent, very interesting choice to increase tactical choices and even better with the Anga's Ruby that gives them a high mobility. And they become even very good fighter units with the Demetrius sword giving -20% Leadership cost to demon troops.
• Ancient Vampire: Just excellent units as bat, make worth invest in Dark Commander and Tolerance skills. The beauty of the thing is that you can get some quite soon in game so if you get Sacrifice soon enough they are then excellent choice since the first part of the game and worth it until end game.
• Ghosts: Not easy to manage but excellent unit during the beginning. Coupled with Cursed Ghost and wife Rina as zombie they are an excellent choice. But they are too weak for mid game. I'm not sure that is true in higher difficulty level then they are probably too tough to use.
• Cursed Ghost: Not easy to manage but excellent unit during the beginning. Coupled with Ghost and wife Rina as zombie they are an excellent choice. Even in mid game they continue be good but you'll need have invest in Dark Commander skill, Tolerance and/or have Rina wife as zombie. In later game they become useless because too tough to manage. I'm not sure that is true in higher difficulty level then they are probably too tough to use.
• Sea Dog: Haste and sometimes teleport can increase a lot their efficiency. With wife Rina as human, plus some other items they can be very powerful units and could worth alone the use of those items. For sure Mirabella is an excellent wife alternative too but not as good because their special attack that you have every two turns requires the maximum mobility.
• Knight with Circle Attack: They require most often spells like teleport, haste, or Demoness swap. Then teleport and a circle attack can be devastating and not necessary only during the first turn. They are also an excellent dragon lure or good again fast army. They make worth to max Iron Fist.
• Giant: Too bad Green Dragon hate them but you can get them sooner than dragons and if you get and can wear the ogre boots then that's a huge unit. Haste can help a lot with those but without the Ogre boots I don't like them much.
• Lake Dragonfly: They can be excellent tactical choice either to put the first attack and eventually cast invisible on them. But even better is have other units like griffin or ghost attract the attention first, and then use them at end of turn as a tactical blow followed next turn by another blow. Quote they have the second best ratio Leadership/damages after Sprite but are quite cheaper than Sprite. Before to get Sprite if you get any or when magical damages worth less than physical they are perhaps an excellent choice for mid game. Also one non random item add +1 damage with such bonus for mass troops like those this can have a huge effect. But I haven't yet tried them after the beginning.
• Fire Dragonfly: Nice alternative to Lake Dragonfly, their special skill is great. I never used them in mid game nor late game but I wonder what you can do with those. Their fire resistance can be a plus then.
• Wolf: During the very beginning with their special skill those can be a nice bonus when fighting some human units.
• Werewolf Elf: During the beginning their wolf cry can be a nice bonus when fighting some human units. They can be more useful than wolf because of their much better initiative or they can even be used with wolf.
• Evil Beholder: Their ability to make an opponent unit lost a turn can be very handy. I didn't find them as good after the beginning, but I didn't tried them a lot during mid and later game.
• Elf: Their special attack that doesn't have Hunter make them quite worthy. With Onslaught skill plus their level 3 instead of 4 for hunter they are for me a better choice than Hunter.
• Cyclop: Because they are an excellent close range fighter that cannot be other range units. Sometimes you get some soon enough to have them be the best long range. After beginning and beginning of mid game they are harder to use. Quote also they are excellent against undead and fire.
• Royal Thorn: If you get some soon enough in the game with Sacrifice Spell to increase the stack size and replace dead. But quite soon they become useless because of their too low initiative. Excellent in combination with ghosts that will rush and attract the attention.
• Hunter Thorn: Until you get items you can wear and that favor mechanical range units or Archers, those are an excellent range unit for the beginning, Priest, Archer, Archmage, even Archer Skeleton so soon in game don't match them not too mention their special skill and their speed. But quite soon they become useless because of their too low initiative. Excellent in combination with ghosts that will rush and attract the attention.

I wonder why but I never tried a lot those following units, I suspect they could worth a lot: Devilfish, Hyena, Black Knight, Imp, Scoffer Imp, Cerberus, Orc units (catapult seems to be an excellent archer alternative).

And the list of units I don't like at all for good or bad reason:

• Barbarian and Berserker: Not controlling a unit don't worth it.
• All human units but Knight, Horseman, Inquisitor. I should try more Archmage.
• Pirate, Zombie, Decaying Zombie, Skeleton: Too slow, no good skill.
• Spiders even with the frog wife, poison is so useless and those don't get as much bonuses from items than snakes.
• Bone Dragon: Too weak for the Leadership cost.
• Black Dragon: Too high Leadership cost, magic immunity is too restrictive it should be only negative magic immunity.
• Snakes but Royal, except if you use the frog wife and a special Snake army.

[Elwin]

Its favourute unit, not to post oall units or half of them ~~ i disagree on few points.Cyclops are crappy for me,also knight with circle atttack is nothing compared to demon, Elves arent butter than hunter playd with them both. Wolf annoying but not realy usefull, same for werewof

[Vilk]

Originally Posted by Ryastar

As for elves/hunters and cannoneers, hunters are far better than them whereas elves are about the same or slightly worse. The big difference is the no range penalty and the ability to use dragon arrows. Having no giants in your army will also make your green dragons stronger since their morale will go back to normal instead of being at -2 (so they will gain back the 20% attack and defense that they lost as well as getting a critical twice as often).

I don't think it's that sample:

• The first point is that tactical+ogre boot can make giant quite huge, much better fighter than Green dragon.
• The second point is I know everybody prefer get more runes than the shield dwarf reward for the map. But well what's 10 runes of each, perhaps 2 more skills or even 3 but not much more. On other hand elf don't have any Leadership bonus that dwarf can have ie -30% Leadership that means in fact 42% more Leadership than elves, that is huge. Do you really think that cannot worth the morale bonus of a full elf army and the Green Dragon use?
• The third point is that Dragon Arrow is an option, there's many more spells to use during first turn so when you choose use another spell, the comparison change a lot:
  • For a comparison Hunter vs Cannoner, the special attack of Cannoner and Tactical placing it closer to enemy give them a much better first attack. And the 42% Leadership bonus make the difference huge.
  • And when compared to Elf they have a first attack relatively even and the 42% Leadership bonus make the difference huge.
• The fourth point is that full elf army is a point giving more morale bonus but then bye bye to more choices like Green Dragon. That's an interesting option but not the single good option, too restricted.

[Razorflame]

i prefer royal snakes, ingi's, shamans, emeralds, evil beholders

[Vilk]

Originally Posted by Elwin

Its favourute unit, not to post oall units or half of them ~~ i disagree on few points.Cyclops are crappy for me,also knight with circle atttack is nothing compared to demon, Elves arent butter than hunter playd with them both. Wolf annoying but not realy usefull, same for werewof

Lol no problem you disagree, now my heart is large and I definitely enjoyed all those units at some point of the game or in some game.

You want debate a little about units? Ok fine:

• About elf and hunter that you use both see previous post and answer it.
• About wolf and werewolf it's just during the beginning and against army with human units. Yes you can get werewolf quite soon unlike elf and hunter. you spite a little fast on invalidating a large size of enemy army, I'm not sure this require more argument you should explain why that suck.
• Ok Demon and Griffin, those are a clear game unbalance but do you want compare those to some that you quote like Royal Snake, ancient/polar bear? It seems you use army with almost only range units, you should try more combination and even try no range unit. One great point of this game is diversity, efficiency isn't all when it's about having fun.
• Demon is great but has also many disadvantage:
  • You cannot resurrect them and can with Knight and resurrect level 3, sacrifice is far to be as efficient.
  • Demon is to be used to get plenty hit and with a time back alas their level 4 is quite a penalty for that.
  • With knights you keep Time Back for another unit, typically Sprite or Lake Fairy. And their skill allow very often to be used to hit 2 or 3 enemy, sometimes more and choose hit the weakest enemy. Demon need to be hit to do that.
  • Griffin can be a nice alternate to demon because level 3, because more available so you could keep Time Back for another unit.
  • Demon require you learn a skill to be compatible with non demon units.

EDIT: Lol I even forgot quote Archidemon in my favorite list, arg those are dam great with their teleport adding nice tactical possibilites. And with the -20% Leadership bonus they become almost as good fighter than Giant with Ogre boot and -30 Leadership bonus.

[Elwin]

No i am not ranged based i am used do have 2 ranged in my army, and i compared knight to demon because similiar role, teleport and hit many units

[Vilk]

Originally Posted by Elwin

No i am not ranged based i am used do have 2 ranged in my army, and i compared knight to demon because similiar role, teleport and hit many units

It's impossible to use any unit like you can use Griffin or Demons. Demons has also a nice talent with its little summon. Sure you cannot use a knight like a Demon or Griffin. Teleport and hit many units, yes that's a possibility with Knight and Demon but with Demon it's more interesting to do it at beginning of the turn when for a knight it's quite interesting to wait the end. Demon can be the center of the tactic and Knight can't. For killing dragons Knight is quite good.

Anyway I don't see the point, just no unit can be compared well to Griffin and Demon. That doesn't change that Knight has a very special attack quite unique and interesting but in term of pure strength there is better.