4.13 development update discussion and feedback

[gaunt1]

Originally Posted by TexasJG

It would be really nice to see some of the proposed Luftwaffe heavy's which never made it into production, make it into the simulation someday,
such as the Me-264B, Ta400, He 274/277.

He-111 and Ju-88 is painfully weak and useless from 1942-1943, so in my opinion, there is no place for those prototypes in this game until we get an useful LW bomber that was produced in series, like the Do-217 or He-177 first.

[ElAurens]

I agree, there are so many types of aircraft that were used in numbers, that would be more beneficial to the sim overall, than these "paper napkin" proposed aircraft that did exactly nothing.

Notably, Japanese Army bombers and attack two seater types.

Kawanishi H6K "Mavis".

Lockheed Hudson and Ventura.

D 520

Hell, even the CAC Boomerang can be called far more important than the German never built aircraft.

Not to mention the ship models we desperately need.

[gaunt1]

Yes, the H6K! An extremely important plane.

And in my opinion, cockpits for the existing B-25 variants are also missing. I dont know how different are their cockpits, but in the case of the "C/D" the top turret, and forward cockpit may be the same as in the "J". The ventral position should be simulated like in the Pe-2. In the case of the "H", the gunner positions are definitely the same. So I think the B-25 series only needs pilot cockpits.

[majorfailure]

Originally Posted by gaunt1

Yes, the H6K! An extremely important plane.

And in my opinion, cockpits for the existing B-25 variants are also missing. I dont know how different are their cockpits, but in the case of the "C/D" the top turret, and forward cockpit may be the same as in the "J". The ventral position should be simulated like in the Pe-2. In the case of the "H", the gunner positions are definitely the same. So I think the B-25 series only needs pilot cockpits.

Yes, I've always wanted to fly one of the up-gunned B-25s, be it with 1X .50cals or the 75mm version, bet you could create even more havoc than you currently can with the already very nice B-25 - those things are nice attack planes, and if the need arises also decent level bombers.

Originally Posted by ElAurens

Notably, Japanese Army bombers and attack two seater types.

Yes, there are quite a few Japanese planes that could be very useful.

[TexasJG]

Originally Posted by gaunt1

He-111 and Ju-88 is painfully weak and useless from 1942-1943, so in my opinion, there is no place for those prototypes in this game until we get an useful LW bomber that was produced in series, like the Do-217 or He-177 first.

Agree! the Do-217 and He-177 would make very appropriate and useful addition also, which I'd very much like to see.
As the simulation is IL-2-1946, hence the Me-264B, Ta400, and He 274/277.
Other 1946 heavy bombers, the Ju-390, 6 engines (2 prototypes built) and a FocKe-Wulf "1000x1000x1000" proposal, would make great additions.
If I had the skills, software, technical data, and time, (actually I do have the time) I'd have a go at them myself. I'd likely start with the Do-217.

[*{64s}Saburo]

someone to make the h6k ?? the g3m , the ginga and other seaplanes missing in the games that have yet heavily used during the war ....

[IceFire]

Originally Posted by gaunt1

He-111 and Ju-88 is painfully weak and useless from 1942-1943, so in my opinion, there is no place for those prototypes in this game until we get an useful LW bomber that was produced in series, like the Do-217 or He-177 first.

Definitely the Do217 or He177 would be great. Also it would be nice to have the Me410 as the A-1 and B-1 variants were used heavily by bomber regiments as they "upgraded" from the Ju88 and He111. Useful in a variety of other roles as well.

[Pursuivant]

Originally Posted by gaunt1

There is no place for those prototypes in this game until we get an useful LW bomber that was produced in series, like the Do-217 or He-177 first.

Several Do-217K variants already exist in the game and the He-177 will be forthcoming in the 4.13 patch. Or, were you specifically requesting flyable versions of these planes?

[Pursuivant]

For "missing planes" almost nobody's mentioned the lack of French and Polish types.

Currently, although there are some frustrating gaps, you can put together early, mid, or late war fighter, attack or bomber campaigns for Germany, Japan (at least the IJN, not the IJAAF), Finland, UK/Commonwealth, USAAF, USN/USMC and the Soviet Union. You can also put together an early to mid war fighter, attack or bomber campaign for Italy.

But, you can only do very limited early war fighter campaigns for campaign for Poland, and technically you can't even do that for France (The Hawk 75 and Ms406 variants in the game are Finnish).

It's easy to forget that both Poland and France had relatively large airforces and were desperately attempting to expand and modernize in the face of the Nazi threat when they were invaded. In both 1939 in Poland and in 1940 in France, had their armies been able to hold against the German Blitzkrieg, the French or Polish Air Forces might have been able to put up a credible defense of their countries.

While there's a natural tendency to want late war planes, there are many fascinating early-war types that nobody seems to know or care about.

[shelby]

Originally Posted by gaunt1

He-111 and Ju-88 is painfully weak and useless from 1942-1943, so in my opinion, there is no place for those prototypes in this game until we get an useful LW bomber that was produced in series, like the Do-217 or He-177 first.

Ju-188