Glitched P-51 compared to FW-190 and Spitfire

[The_Goalie_94]

Originally Posted by David603

Full marks for knowing how to copy and paste off wiki.

If you want to compare aircraft though, a more useful way of doing this might be to pick either a), planes we have in the game or b), aircraft that were contemporary to each other.

The P51D first saw service in 1944, so if you want to compare it with its contemporaries you should pick the Spitfire XIV and Fw190D9. Alternatively you could go with what we have in game, which would mean using a Spitfire XVI instead of the Griffon engined Spitfire XIV.

So just the straight line speed and climb rates for these planes,

P51D
Top speed: 437mph at 25,000ft (362mph at sea level)
Climb rate: 3,500ft/min at 8,000ft (3,200ft/min at sea level)

Spitfire XIV(Griffon)
Top speed: 448mph at 25,000ft (360mph at sea level)
Climb rate: 5,000ft/min at sea level

Spitfire XVI
Top speed: 408mph at 21,000ft (345mph at sea level)
Climb rate: 4,600ft/min at sea level

Fw190D9
Top speed 429mph at 17,500ft (375mph at sea level)
Climb rate: 4,100ft/min at sea level

I've been able to get the P51D up to a sustained speed of 360mph at low level, agreeing with the P51D's historical speed at that altitude, therefore I don't think the flight model is slower than it should be.

However, the P51D's top speed is granted by good aerodynamics, not a good power to weight ratio, so even though the top end speeds are similar the other three planes have much better acceleration. Therefore getting up to high speeds will take longer, and if you are trying to chase or break away from one of these planes with both you and your opponent starting at low-medium speeds you will get the impression they are considerably quicker, especially with the Fw109D9 and Spitfire XIV.

u went way too far to point out a stupid point. That was an example, not the top point in the thread, we don't care that the SPIT is better, i still like the P-51 better. It can actually fly to Germany and back most of the time not in flames. Which, is too hard to do as the P-51 is under rated, thats what we are getting at...i might be getting mixed up with the other 10 or so posts about this though.

[David603]

Originally Posted by The_Goalie_94

u went way too far to point out a stupid point. That was an example, not the top point in the thread, we don't care that the SPIT is better, i still like the P-51 better. It can actually fly to Germany and back most of the time not in flames. Which, is too hard to do as the P-51 is under rated, thats what we are getting at...i might be getting mixed up with the other 10 or so posts about this though.

I'm not trying to prove the Spitfire is better with that post, rather I'm trying to explain why the P51's flight model is accurate.

[David603]

Originally Posted by fuzzychickens

.EDIT: nevermind, it seems max deflection goes up with sens. That makes no sense, it should be exponential with same max deflect - this should be fixed. Pretty annoying to just find that out.

Yeah, changes to sensitivity have the effect of expanding or reducing the whole response curve, so if you turn down the sensitivity you lose a chunk of the achievable control surface deflection because the control stick doesn't cover the whole range of control movements anymore.

[Soviet Ace]

Originally Posted by David603

I'm not trying to prove the Spitfire is better with that post, rather I'm trying to explain why the P51's flight model is accurate.

I think the Spit is better than the Mustang

[fuzzychickens]

Originally Posted by Soviet Ace

I think the Spit is better than the Mustang

Mustang is better for the job it had to do. Spit would have been worthless for long range B17 escort missions - actually less than worthless - it couldn't have done escort at all with its range.

But it was better than the mustang in its own role - defense of British airspace.

[Soviet Ace]

True, but it never would have escorted plane in the first place, especially American bombers. But then, it was never meant to escort bombers anyway. And plus, the Spit at a good altitude could probably out do a Mustang?