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12-08-2008, 09:07 PM
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Archdemons
ok, everyone is probably aware that archdemons suck, they're not completely useless but aren't really worth having in your army either. Why they were left as such is left to speculations since, as apparent from their atom file, they were supposed to be stronger and have at least 2 more abilities. But putting that aside, I've been planning on giving them a significant buff for one of my mods for a while but now that I'm actually thinking about what I want to change, I find myself at a loss. I'd appreciate it if anyone could offer some suggestions on the matter.
At this point I'm considering giving them the ability to summon demons (3-4 round to recharge) and the ability to turn a troop into a sheep (1 charge). 
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12-09-2008, 07:26 AM
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Summon Demon + Sheep sounds good.
I first thought that fire rain / fireball could be added, but as it does not really work on dragons - especially on BDs -> the demon summon sounds much more alluring (using them as tank/distract unit) + sheep - works great on lower leveled but outnumbered units (like 1800 archers  )Actually what I would add : No retaliation ability (but maybe I am too nostalgic about HOMM 3) Or instead Sheep - some BUFF spell could be added - GIFT (Demon army is strong on their skills - but they may run out of these skills and for longer battles the demon army is weaker and weaker - so free GIFT would be nice) - mass Initiative... (well - this may sound overpowered, but when Undead have so many speed improving options - Rina, Undead Commander, why not demons?) - Magic Spring ? ... Would this be too much ? (In combination with summon demon...) Or - instead of skills, give him some more resistances - so he could be really used TANK unit - and his teleportation ability would be more of a benefit (I would not send archdemon in enemies frontline - as god armor does not work on him and stoneskin + his natural restance = 50% DMG resistance... not to mention that many enemies have magic/poison attacks...) -> Would just GOD armor work on him I personally would create new ability: GAZE of DOOM -> would be like alchemysts acid srpay - but astral damage - with his teleportation ability this could be greatly used as "hit and run" strategy, possibly hitting the most dangerous units no matter how good they hide - so his resistances would not be important anymore - using Wait + Teleport this would make him THE SOLUTION for destroying enemies strategy, ignoring their TANKS and using their "grouping" agains them
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Last edited by Gatts; 12-09-2008 at 07:40 AM.
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12-09-2008, 07:42 AM
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maybe...
* 2 turns cooldown. Warp target friendly stack to adjacent cell (to archdemon) * 2 turns cooldown. Melee fire-based (or 2 cell distance) attack without retaliation * 1 charge. Completely remove any target from the battlefild for one turn (the cell should be disabled for entering by any other troops for this turn) * 1 charge. Lifts target enemy into the air and drops 'em down causing damage depending on their max_hp and quantity.
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#4
12-09-2008, 09:04 AM
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Fire Melee - 2 cell distance -> "Hell Flame" ? or "Fire Gaze" ? (or Doom Gaze) ... as archdemon is spawn of hell - this makes sense... as long he will have the LIFT as well - so he will be usefull against dragons, without directly hitting them Remove one stack from battlefield - VERY INTERESTING... Would be great that it could last 2 turns if you have 10+ units of archdemons (more than 16000 Leadership - easy for Warrior, hard for mage) ... could be called "Demon Cage" or "Hell Prison" ... As long it works on black dragons, I totally like it.
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12-09-2008, 10:10 AM
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I'm thinking AoE fire damage to everyone standing beside the archdemons, that way you could teleport to the middle of the opposing army and dish out some heavy damage, it wouldn't be very effective against demons or dragons but I'm aiming for good, not overpowered. And maybe a self-buffing ability similar to the one dark knights have except it would increase their resistance to damage making them a more effective tank.
This is all assuming that I figure out how to script abilities because right now I don't really get it. 
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12-09-2008, 10:28 AM
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"ring of Fire" sounds good... actually very good - what I really missed was "ring" area damage spell / ability
Funny is that in games like HOMM3 the least used damage spell of mine was Ring of ICE (and now I wonder why, as I totally did use TANK tactics - where my one unit was overcircled by enemy stacks... ) - maybe I just used buff/debuff and ressurect... and you could use only one spell / turn
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#8
12-09-2008, 11:22 AM
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12-10-2008, 12:04 AM
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ok, so I got the aoe fire thingy and demon summoning working and I'm gonna do the armor feature in the morning, so that leaves one talent slot open for debate. I'm deciding between an aggressive ability like Sheep or an unaggressive ability like Callback or a demon-specific Gift. Callback seems like it could be abused for hit and run tactics too much and the Gift ability like a waste of slot and abusable with phantom. I'll have to give it some more thought...
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#10
12-10-2008, 06:25 AM
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Sheep is a great overpower
Callback can be limited to 1 use per battle or recharge rate should be about 3-4 turns. Demon-specific gift...you can make it so that it won't end Archdemon's turn if you think it's too weak  btw Archdemons aren't as weak as you say: * auto-dispell * "unlimited" speed * fire resists * not bad Attack * u gave them aoe fire-attack * u gave them demon summoning ability so the 3rd ability should be not so strong or their leadership should be increased
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