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11-22-2007, 12:22 AM
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Re: IL2 and Sound Modding
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the real problem is that a lot of other parts of the il2 code have also been altered or unlocked at the same time, and you have now no way of knowing how fair or unfair online flying is when you join a server. individual aircraft characteristics (speed, turn rate, weapons load, flight behavior) have been hacked, so you can now have yak's that fly at the speed of a rocket plane, take off like a harrier, and turn in mid air like a hurricane at stall speed, and all this while carrying unlimited ammo on a server that doesnt allow it (youtube video's have already been posted which show that exact type of problem occurring) . the hack has also delayed the release of the 4.09 patch, and important bug fixes we have been asking for previously will not be addressed now because there is no time left. BoB will also incur some delay because the whole file protection system has the be altered and made safer. |
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#12
11-22-2007, 06:48 AM
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I agree with the original poster that the sounds are maybe the weakest part of IL2, the different engines sound too much the same. I also use the 'mod' to my own enjoyment, not to gain high ground above ppl, but just for the sake of having more real sounding engines.
But I also agree that the unlocking of the IL2 files comes with sour grapes too, FM cheating. And of course, it's illegal. Oh well, let's hope Oleg & bunch get the 4.09 out with a new kind of protection so we can end all these debates about the hacks. 
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#13
11-22-2007, 08:09 AM
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I'm hoping with 4.09 the code will have changed enough for the hackers to not want to bother cracking it again and simply leave them be with 4.08.
Basically we will have 4.08 "mod" servers and the newly patched 4.09 servers will be "Mod free", gives us all the best of both worlds really. The mod is out there so nothing we can do about it now, once 4.09 is out they can mod 4.08 till there hearts are content and hopefully leave 4.09 alone, all we need now is a bit of a gentleman's agreement with the people over at the place that will not be mentioned but supplies said "mod" that they will work on 4.08 only, for the good of the online community and leave 4.09 alone. |
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#14
11-22-2007, 05:18 PM
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Isn't going to happen..Oleg himself says that there is little they can do about the illegal HACK other than to give a damn big THANK YOU to the morons that did it and those that support it
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#15
11-23-2007, 05:30 AM
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Oleg can't afford to support this game forever. All software products end up this way if one doesn't know. Even Microsoft software. Games are much worse. Il-2 had it's run and it was a long one by any standard. Oleg is devoting his energies now to the one series we want so will you all give this hack stuff a rest. If there is a community of people out there willing to devote there own free time,monies and energy into supporting the product I say fine. It only benfits games sales of il-2 that give maddox even more money to put into newer and far better projects.
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#16
11-23-2007, 07:55 AM
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I would agree with you Stalkervision but up to a point. There is still a prerequisite:
Oleg or whatever company who has the rights of the software should at least take a formal position by saying that the software is not any more supported, that there will be no more patches and that it is allowed for those who are willing to spend effort to improve the game like: sounds, new objects, new maps or new flyble aircrafts or making some aircraft systems work or behave correctly, iron bugs etc. All these "improvements" being non supported and at the entire risk of those who would install them. Without this kind of statement any modification of the core engine (i understand that the sound mods imply this is what has been done) is pure hacking and pure stealing of rights. And there is no obligation for those detaining the rights to IL-2 to make such a statement. It is a pure economical/marketing decision. From the marketing point of view, once SOB is out it would make some sense to open some functionality as long as the addendums or mods are to be added to a legitimate acquisition of the IL2 game. This will probably will benefit Oleg as IL2 copies of the game will continue to be sold (at a lower price for sure). If we look at the example of the airplane skins. That issue was never regarded as hacking because it was an opening well planned and structured from the beginning to allow for such improvements. It is unfortunate that the sounds and objects were not also designed this way. What has made this game so longlasting? At the base is the excellence of the product and the unique immersivity as well as the continous support and improvements from Oleg. Then come two other factors: 1) The online gaming capability. I am not a specialist on this functionality though. 2) The possibility that has been given to all of us through the FMB (that could also be much improved) and Skins to create our own scenarios. On this issue I am an expert. Like the addition of skins, sounds and objects should also have been part of items allowed for the simmers to play with. Once you finished the campaigns it is the only way to go on, and possibilities become infinite. So let's see how things will evolve in future, but believe me we are all supporters of Oleg, even if I really miss him. One small topic from him, here and there should really not be an issue during a full days work. It takes a minute and would please so much all of his supporters. I really miss the times when after the first IL2 release when Oleg was more present and answered some of our remarks. Gold |
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#17
11-23-2007, 12:50 PM
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4.09 is in the works. Oleg hasn't abandoned this series, yet. SOW is still vaporware IMHO and may never happen!!!
Even the mere discussion of this stuff here is supporting the Hackers and making their Napoleon complexes grow. Stop the madness, Stop talking about the Hacks and let 1C and Maddox do what they need do to put the AAA site out of commission. The community ought to start a global list of anyone flying in the AAA server and post up the thread for all to know who supports hackers. If your a Offline pilot what will it matter since it is the Online that has the chance of being compromised... |
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#18
11-23-2007, 01:21 PM
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Beowulf, Your proposal sounds vastly exhaggerated. I'm an online pilot and I don't feel threatened at all neither by modders nor by people flying on AAA. Let proscription lists where they do belong .... the sewers of humanity. Regards, Insuber |
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#19
11-23-2007, 02:58 PM
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Oleg has said he is dropping the game. He just has one minor patch in the works and it is by-by for him. The only people that are getting their panties in a knot are the on-line dweebs that cry like little girls whenever they get shot down. Then they call...CHEAT!!
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#20
11-23-2007, 03:26 PM
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Dear All,
Quite honestly I don't have an opinion about hackers. All I can say is as I see it, in England a man's home is his castle. When you buy something it is yours to do with what you like. I cannot personally get used to the idea that you buy something that is actually still not yours even after you pay good money for it. Once you have paid for it the makers have their money and let's face it they even set the price for it. With regard to the arguement about 'cheaters', if people know each other then why should they cheat? Best regards, SLP |
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