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Old 10-10-2009, 02:22 PM
mattd27 mattd27 is offline
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He-111
The He-111 H-6 is one of the first bombers unlocked in the game, and very popular in Strike. It's biggest draw is it's payload, which is pretty high compared to others in it's class. With the He-111 it's important to get in fast and unload your bombs, as it has pretty weak defenses. It's turrets are ok, but leave you a lot of angles uncovered. It's armor seems to be pretty weak also, and you'll start to lose a lot of control over your plane once the damage starts setting in. Despite this, the He-111 will pack a big punch if you can avoid enemy fighters or if you have some friendly cover.
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Old 10-11-2009, 04:23 AM
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[*]I-16 -- 2 x 7.62mm ShKAS (M) -- 2 x 20mm ShVAK (C)
Be careful to set the sensitivity way down with this plane.


(Original Thread started by Ju-87)
by this do you mean be careful on setting the sensitivity too low as it worsens the planes performance

or

be careful by setting the sensitivity lower as you are able to fly it much easier

sorry to pull you up and ask you about this, but i like the I-16, but am finding it hard to aim due to it's "slipperyness".
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Old 10-11-2009, 06:07 AM
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I guess I could try to help, since I didn't see a description for the Jug up yet.

P-47D "The Jug"
- Eight .50cal machinegines
- (x2) 1000 lb bombs and (1) 500 lb bomb
- (x10) HVAR Rockets
- (x2) 1000 lb bombs, (1) 500 lb bomb, (x10) HVAR rockets

The P-47D is big, heavy plane that has excellent ground attack capabilities and some chance in an air to air fight if used properly. This plane has a potent armament for almost any situation. Its eight .50cal machineguns tend to make planes tear to bits if they are hit with a good burst. Only the more armored planes seem to hold up for any length of time under sustained fire. Between it's bombs and rockets, a single P-47 is capable of putting a little over 3000 lbs of ordinance on target with a single pass. This makes it fairly effective in CTA and Strike.

Its a little less effective in a dogfight, but it can still get some kills if used properly. Due to its massive size and weight, it has an extremely poor turning radius. Boom and zoom is your friend when fighting other aircraft. The P-47 is suprisingly quick in a straight line, and can usually outrun most planes other than 190 variants, 109-K4s and the jets. If you can get your guns on target, most planes will disappear after a good burst or two, the difficulty is often getting them on target in the first place.

The P-47 is also an extremely tough plane. It is heavily armored over most of the airframe, and can usually take a good beating before going down. Its weakest points seem to be the cockpit and the front portion of the plane near the engine, and a solid hit in either has the potential to do some damage. Avoid head-ons and turning battles, and you can usually stay alive.The ideal scenario for this plane is CTA and Strike, where it can still give ground targets a pounding, and also transfer into air to air combat or bomber hunting when needed.

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Sorry, it turned out a little long. I tend to go on and on when talking about stuff ^^; Me and my squadron have been having a good time with the Jug, thats for sure.

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Old 10-11-2009, 11:21 AM
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by this do you mean be careful on setting the sensitivity too low as it worsens the planes performance

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be careful by setting the sensitivity lower as you are able to fly it much easier

sorry to pull you up and ask you about this, but i like the I-16, but am finding it hard to aim due to it's "slipperyness".
No problem, I'm glad to help (kind of the reason I made this list in the first place ). I mean setting the elevater sensitivity down, due to it's strong tendency to stall if you don't. It's still a tricky plane to handle, but once you get the hang of it it's great fun. It's biggest strength is also it's weakness I guess: it's manouvreability makes it harder to aim.
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I guess I could try to help, since I didn't see a description for the Jug up yet.

P-47D "The Jug"
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Sorry, it turned out a little long. I tend to go on and on when talking about stuff ^^; Me and my squadron have been having a good time with the Jug, thats for sure.
Thanks a lot Falcon! I love your description, copy/pasted it right in there. It was a bit long, but there's nothing that's not supposed to be in there. I was kind of doubting wether to put it in there or not, since the jug still isn't what it's supposed to be, and it might be improved with the update. However, you made the jug sound like a plane you'd actually pick for a game . Congrats on that.
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Old 10-11-2009, 11:51 AM
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Thanks Seraph. I know I've had a lot of fun with the P-47, same with a few people I fly with. We were getting a little bored with B-17s, and none of us tend to like Russian planes, so the Jug has been a joy to fly in Strike. It works nicely in CTA if you can bomb without the sight. If you can get a 1000 pounder or two anywhere near a plane on the ground, it pops. Rockets are about as inaccurate as always, but dammit they look cool =P lol

Oh, tried it out some as a bomber buster in a few strike matches. It works nicely ^^ I was making a He-111's night hell, lol. I don't think it made it more than halfway to the targets before the fifty-cals shredded it or I pegged it with a rocket. B-17s can give it a little trouble though, since your armor is weakest in front. You just need to come in at an angle and not get caught right behind the tail gunner. Works nice for picking off fighters that are too focused on killing a bomber too. Basically, anything that isn't turning too much. lol

Our best boom and zoom pilot uses it in team battle every now and then, but he still loves German planes the most, so he usually sticks to the Fw-190 D, Ta-152, or Bf-109-K4.

I've heard a few people talk about it needing to be fixed up some. What are the common complaints? Because it seems to be about what I expected (big, tough, not very graceful and with a lot of things that go boom). I think it could be a little tougher, since sometimes it seems to die easier than it should. Turning seems about right though. It turns about as well as a 190, maybe just a hair worse because of the extra mass.

Speaking of the update, I cant wait for it. I want to be able to use the mustang and not have to fight it the whole time.
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Old 10-11-2009, 12:12 PM
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I've heard a few people talk about it needing to be fixed up some. What are the common complaints? Because it seems to be about what I expected (big, tough, not very graceful and with a lot of things that go boom). I think it could be a little tougher, since sometimes it seems to die easier than it should. Turning seems about right though. It turns about as well as a 190, maybe just a hair worse because of the extra mass.
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hey ... im one of those complainers .
What difficulty do you play on I wonder?

I play sim mostly. you say it is 'little less effective in dogfight'. I really ahd to laugh at that one . It is just unflyable in dogfight . Its turning rate is wayyyy bigger than the 190s. It certainly can not outrun many planes, maybe in the first seconds of a dive, but even the spits will catch up with you. Mainly because they can maintain the dive much longer, because the P-47 has to pull up at 1000ft, just to not hit the ground.

I really DO agree with its deadly potential in strike. I dont have the B-17 yet, but the P-47 does a better job than most bombers. Not as well as the B-17, but if the B-17 guy is not 100% accurate with his bombs, you can beat him with the P-47 .

I have used it a few times in CTA as well. It sure does work depending on your role. Because it is so rugged, it is a good plane to land (its also easy to land). it has nice bombs, but because of its turn, you normally only get 1 chance to drop you bombs.. you wont have time for a 180. (if you throw them, the 1000lbs will most likely kill, but sometimes you are too low, and the bombs dont drop, then you are in trouble).
I prefer for instance the spit XVI. It has perfect dogfight capabilitys to keep people from landing in the first place. And its 250lbs bombs will do the job as well. BUT i can understand that someone likes it in CTA . It is a stable landing and bombing platform.

I just dont agree for even 1%, that it is 'little less effective in dogfights'.It is a complete incapable dogfighter if you ask me. It is not fast enough to zoom. The enemy will outrun you, or you will be closing very slowly. If he decides to turn even just a little, you will not be able to follow. Same with a climb, if he climbs, you will not be able to make the same steep angle, and you wont be able to maintain a climb for long. The P-47 is a nice plane for strike, but even the very broken P-51, will be able to outdogfight is every time.

Not bitching on your post . Its just, that this guide is meant for newbies, and reading the P-47 post, would suggest that it is a very capable dogfighter. Wich is just really isnt

If you disagree with my post, dont be angry , Im not saying that my opinion is fact .

EDIT: I see I put a nice amount of smileys in that post ^^

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Old 10-11-2009, 12:51 PM
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I play on Arcade myself, so I can't comment on how it handles in sim. Never said it was the best in dogfighting, but yeah, it certainly isn't ideal (Kind of strange considering it was a bomber escort for a good chunk of the war). You can usually get a few kills though (in arcade), if you're smart in choosing your targets. I kind of see it in the same group as the 190s and Me-262. You REALLY need to know what you're doing if you want to get any kills with it against other planes.

I try to avoid dogfighting in it personally. I stick to pounding things on the ground, or hunting bombers (its fun to peg bombers with rockets ^^). I'd take my G-6 over the P-47 in a dogfight anyday. I suck at boom and zoom style planes. I like being able to complete a turn sometime this decade. =P

Never meant to imply it was an extremely capable dogfighter...just better than a few of the other attack planes (ILs, Stukas, etc). Not that that's saying a whole lot. Although, our best boom and zoom dogfighter has done decent with it at times. He still greatly preferres his Ta or 109-K4. He almost exclusively flies German planes anyway.

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Old 10-14-2009, 11:17 AM
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[*]La Series -- Both: 2 x 20mm ShVAK (C)
The La's are prized for their speed, manouvreability and stability. The La-7 is one of the fastest piston planes in the game, and both the 5 and 7 are easy to fly. They don't stall very fast or violently, can compete with a Spit in turns, and almost can't be outrun. The downside for beginners might be the armament. Although they have pretty big cannons which can make quick work of a plane, the rate of fire is not high, and it's tricky to aim due to the low amount of tracers. Because the La-5 has a smaller engine, it's a bit slower and has more recoil, but due to the reduced weight it does have a slightly higher rate of turn. The La-7's bigger engine makes it faster and it has less recoil, but a slightly lower rate of turn.
Hi seraph,

I'm not totally agree with on the difference between LA5 & LA7.

Indeed the LA7 is clearly faster but the plane has also a faster turn rate. However, Because the LA5 is slower it has a slight smaller turn radius but do not turn as fast as the LA7.

Furthermore, I feel that the LA5 is bit more stable in flight than the LA7, which is easier to get into a stall at low speed. (But I agree that the difference is quite difficult to see)

You could also be a bit more explicit saying that the LA serie is adviced to begin with when you come to realistic or sim mode. Because of the in flight stability.

Of course that's not based on scientific datas just my experience.

Don't know if you agree with those comments
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Old 10-14-2009, 11:36 AM
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Hi seraph,

I'm not totally agree with on the difference between LA5 & LA7.

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Of course that's not based on scientific datas just my experience.

Don't know if you agree with those comments
Thanks for your comment . I haven't got a lot of experience with the La-5, and got this info from Soviet Ace. I think it's best if I notify him about your comment, see what he's got to say about it . I did fly the 5 every now and then, and didn't notice any big differences, which is why I trusted SA's opinion.
It's not a bad idea to add the fact they're good beginner's planes to the description.. consider it done
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Old 10-14-2009, 06:31 PM
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Woohoo! Stickied . Thanks mods!
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