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Men of War New World War II strategy game |
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For the Russian army for example the main AT grenades have been the RPG40 and RPG43 with the RPG40 eventualy penetrating 20mm of armor (the roof of the Tiger 1 had already 40) and the RPG43 with around 75mm of armor since it was a shaped charge while the earlier model was made of just explosives though you would have to be lucky with the throw as the grenade has to hit the armor on a flat angle an to achieve that was already hard enough. Overall most AT grenades were an awkward and difficult weapon to use effectively. To use it, the soldier had to get within throwing range with the enemy armor which alone was difficult already. Despite having a powerful warhead only a skilled user will have really success with it if anything, just like every shaped-charge weapons it is only effective if the striking angle is close to 90 degree and you have to hit hard the target hard enough to detonate the impact fuse, or it would bounce harmlessly off the tank. So even if you throw it one could many times experience situations where the grenade is either bouncing of harmelsly or exploding in some angle that is not very suportive which means that biger armor might not be penetrated. On the other side the "Gebalte Ladung" which is also used in MoW is quite effective even against heavy armor as well when it should not as its not more then a few usual Hd.Gr.43 or Stiel Handgreande 24 conected together which had not much armor pearcing qualities (not even that many shrapnels definetly much less then the British or Russian F1 grenade which had the most shrapnels for any grenade) while the German stielhandgranaten have been considered "conclussion grenades" and usually classed as offensive weapons cause they do not hold that much dangers to the attacker unlike "fragmentation grenades" which can be sometimes even dangerous to the user when they contain many shrapnells which can be lethal up to 50 meters and the effective casualty radius is often enough higher than the distance it can be thrown Though I am glad that they found a good way of dealing with the AT grenades as they are not always effective (so no anti-tank-wonder weapons anymore) particularly against heavy armor but they are as well not completely useless (where you have to ask your self why its even in the game ...). I wish the rest of the armor penetration would work the same way so you have a "midle ground" particularly with the medium and heavy guns. Many tanks like the Firefly and rather weak British vehicles which have a powerfull gun (Achiles, Archer etc.) would benefit from more vulnerable flanks for the heavy tanks as you dont have to get in suicide range anymore just to score a "succesfull" penetration of the hull and see your shell bounce of doing no damage at all cause its to far away. |
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Whats the Gabalte Ledung? Is that the PWM-1? I like those things, they make a rather big boom like AT nades but throw further.
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I wonder, since tanks sound so valuable in Assault Squad if the effectiveness of the AT grenade is changed?
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ive watched a few YT vids of AS and tanks seem to be kinda rare unless thats what you specifially save points for. Which is nice _D It will be cool to see the ligheter stuff actually used a little more. The Panzer IV still seems to be junk, saw it a few times in the vids and 1 hit and it died from 57s and stuff. Penetration values set to realistic now? I defintly like the longer ranges in AS as well....the short 2 ft ranges in RTS games bugs me so much
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There's so many ways around to balancing German vs. Russian(example) units besides taking the Tiger(example) and nerfing it to the point of a T34/85. |
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the PMW 1 was a anti tank grenade developed by the Luftwaffe but its use was pretty difficult as even with the fins to stabilize the flight it would still often tumble when thrown. Quote:
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I believe there were only 4 crew members in a Hetzer. Still remarkable though |
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Military vehicles are all cramped, I don't know of a single comfortable tank.
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Youre right, only 4 seems like even though when extremly rare that even I can make mistakes
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And the same can be said about comparing the Panther and Hetzer for example which offered you at least more space then a Hetzer which was for it self a average tank hunter but it still had a lot of disadvantages. You could always compare the Hetzer to the Jagdpanther or Jagdpanzer IV for example which offered not just more protection but also been overly better designed vehicles which is just natural as their base have been the Panther and Panzer IV while for the Hetzer it was the Panzerkampfwagen 38(t) which was for its time around 1939-41 a quite usefull vehicle but around 44 when the Jagdpanzer 38(t) saw use completely outdated and outclassed even as light vehicle. The design of the Jagdpanzer 38(t) was a good use of the existing resources as changing the whole production to a new vehicle would have cost many time but for 44 the Hetzer was probably to late ~ such a vehicle would have proved to be very usefull in the time between 41 and 43. |
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A T72 is cramped, it smells, everyone is breathing down each others neck and sometimes the assault rifle jabs you in the side.
I'm sure though its a step up from the T-18. I can't imagine those things. |
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