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The DP LMG is great if a Russian is using it. I find it much more fun then a MG42.
And the first Assualt rifle prototype came in the end of the 19th century. I really just hate the STG 44. |
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K98s - Mosin Nagants MP40s - PPSHs MG34/42s - DPs G43 - SVT-40 As for reliability... Quote:
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Ya, and that is why a part of the former "commie" arms industry is the 2# biggest in the world today (arms sales from Russia is only less than from USA).
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And that industry is based around German inventions. AK 47 is a copy of the STG-44, the RPG a copy of the Panzerfaust. Russians don't invent guns they copy them.
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Pretty good and short answer about the relation of the Stgw and AK47 in my eyes.
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Weapons with similar use or design to the Stgw have been the Charlton Automatic Rifle, Chauchat (more machineguns actualy but they had a curved magazine and shared many principles with modern assault rifles), Fedorov Avtomat, Cei-Rigotti, Mondragón rifle or the M1941 Johnson machine gun. It is very hard to really differentiate between rifles, automatic rifles or light machineguns since many shared similar qualities. Most of the weapons mentioned used quite big calibers but there have been ideas to shorten them already in the 20s of the 1900 century. The Japanese 6.5x50mm Arisaka rifle cartridge for the Fedorov Avtomat and the 6.5x52mm Mannlicher-Carcano for the Cei-Rigotti. Though relability issues and complex mechanisms made those weapons very rare. But it was a new concept afterall. The Ribeyrolles 1918 is as well a extremly interesting design and might come as close as possible to the concept of assault rifles. Last edited by Crni vuk; 04-22-2010 at 12:08 PM. |
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Obviously the AK-47 was far superior to the STG-44. But the Germans were fighting a war at the the time, they didn't have time or resources. If Germany had won WW2 the STG-44 would have likely been continuously upgraded and developed on further, just like the AK-47.
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No doubts about that. But one should not forget that the German Army adopted at some point in the 50s the G3 rifle for its newly formed army the Bundeswehr (based of the Cetme Rifle design, created with help of German engineers in Spain). The Evolution didnt simply stoped after the war and designs got further changed and improved which eventualy lead to prototypes like the Stgw45 which was the base for the Cetme rifle and thus the G3 after the war was over many engineers moved to new companies or worked for other nations in licence so different nations improved certain designs and characteristics or used it as base for new weapons like th M60 for example which includes certain aspects of several captured German small arms like the FG42, MG42 etc. The G3 and similar weapons (FN Fal, Israelian Galil etc.) can be seen as so called battle rifles with automatic fire then assault rifles which usualy have lower range and cartridges. And only after Eugen Stoners development of lighter weapons chambered for the 5.56x45mm (well more the development of his assistants but nontheless) the idea of assault rifles in the traditional sense got adopted again with the M15 and 16 family for example. I think the choice of the 5.56 was not a good one for the future. But it probably was bette compared to the rather big 7.62mm NATO which had a pretty huge recoil and was quite heavy since the soldier can carry less amunition compared to the more light weight 5.56. Though it seems future designs might eventualy go for a combination of both bullets eventualy which lead to developments like the 6.8x43mm or cartridges of similar size. But many weapons seem also to utilize the powerfull 7,62x51mm NATO again like the HK417 for its excelent stoping power and accuracy. Evolution of assault rifles though is pretty much at its peak with powder bassed weapons and its unlikely that one can expect again such huge jumps like either the Avtomat Federov, Stgw or Ak since most weapons today are already at the maximum of what is possible in effectivness and inovation I mean we look back on a history of 80 years now (aprox). But we might still see the one or other smaller improvement over time. Proboably till we get the first standart pulse or plasma rifles
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I can prolly see the first laser weapons coming when some joker tries to come up w/ a way to solve the need for endangering resupply aircraft crew and all the extra weight of ammo as well as solution to running out of ammo period.
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future evolution already now
*hey, what about a Terminator mod for Men of War, or a sci fi game with the same focus on complexity and reliability Last edited by Crni vuk; 04-22-2010 at 08:22 PM. |
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Thats where I hope and wait for the Battletech mod to get done.....Battletech is my #1 Fav Genre 2nd is WWII. Nothing is more awesome then a 3 story high robot marauding down the street blasting the living woo-hoo out of anything stupid enough to stand in its way. Also, cant wait for Pirhana games to get hte new Mechwarrior game done....havent heard much on that game lately....*Tear* So, while I am waiting on that Butchering hordes of T34's w/ my King Tiger and its KwK44, sporting Speedwolf's wicked black SS skin will have to do =D After all it is a King Tiger, prolly the only tank that will stand up to the power of a mech
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