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To date you haven't told me which ones you are referring too just that you are getting your own. What I do ask, is that you stop running down the papers that I have posted until you can prove that they are out of context or in any way misleading. If they are then I will apologise to one and all and leave this forum for good. However if they are not miseading or out of context then I expect you to apologise for this accusation. If you cannot support your theory that the RAF only had 16 squadrons of fighters using 100 Octane at any one time then I expect you to withdraw that theory and apologise for wasting everyones time. Is that fair enough? I repeat that I believe my case to be a strong case not a perfect one, but I have at least supplied a number of documents covering, all aspects of the case. Which is a lot more than can be said for the 16 squadron theory Last edited by Glider; 04-06-2012 at 11:37 PM. |
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Glider and NZt have made good posts so there is nothing to add.
I would still like to know which 16 squadrons were the only squadrons to use 12lb boost, 100 octane fuel. To help with the selection of these 16 squadrons the following are the Spitfire and Hurricane squadrons that participated in the BoB: Hurricane No. 1 (Canwpore) Squadron RAF JX (squadron code) No. 3 Squadron RAF OQ No. 17 Squadron RAF YB No. 32 Squadron RAF GZ No. 43 (China-British) Squadron RAF FT No. 46 (Uganda) Squadron RAF PO No. 56 (Punjab) Squadron RAF US No. 73 Squadron RAF TP No. 79 (Madras Presidency) Squadron RAF NV No. 85 Squadron RAF VY No. 87 (United Provinces) Squadron RAF LK No. 111 Squadron RAF JU No. 145 Squadron RAF SO No. 151 Squadron RAF DZ No. 213 (Ceylon) Squadron RAF AK No. 229 Squadron RAF RE No. 232 Squadron RAF EF No. 238 Squadron RAF VK No. 242 (Canadian) Squadron RAF LE No. 245 (Northern Rhodesia) Squadron RAF DX No. 249 (Gold Coast) Squadron RAF GN No. 253 (Hyderabad) Squadron RAF SW No. 257 (Burma) Squadron RAF DT ALERT No. 263 (Fellowship of the Bellows) Squadron RAF HE No. 501 (County of Gloucester) Squadron AuxAF SD No. 504 (City of Nottingham) Squadron AuxAF TM No. 601 (County of London) Squadron AuxAF UF No. 605 (County of Warwick) Squadron AuxAF UP No. 607 (County of Durham) Squadron AuxAF AF No. 615 (County of Surrey) Squadron AuxAF KW No. 1 (401) Squadron RCAF (Canadian) YO 302 (City of Poznan) Squadron (Polish) WX 303 (Warsaw - Kosciuszko) Squadron (Polish) RF No. 310 (Czechoslovak) Squadron (Czech) NN No. 312 (Czechoslovak) Squadron (Czech) DU Spitfire No. 19 Squadron RAF QV (squadron code) No. 41 Squadron RAF EB No. 54 Squadron RAF KL No. 64 Squadron RAF SH No. 65 (East India) Squadron RAF YT No. 66 Squadron RAF LZ No. 72 (Basutoland) Squadron RAF RN No. 74 Squadron RAF ZP No. 92 (East India) Squadron RAF QJ No. 152 (Hyderabad) Squadron RAF UM No. 222 (Natal) Squadron RAF ZD No. 234 (Madras Presidency) Squadron RAF AZ No. 266 (Rhodesia) Squadron RAF UO No. 602 (City of Glasgow) Squadron AuxAF LO No. 603 (City of Edinburgh) Squadron AuxAF XT No. 609 (West Riding) Squadron AuxAF PR No. 610 (County of Chester) Squadron AuxAF DW No. 611 (West Lancashire) Squadron AuxAF FY No. 616 (South Yorkshire) Squadron AuxAF QJ |
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Good post #982 Ace.
I will add that only the fighter bases used by Spitfire and Hurricane squadrons using 12lb boost, 100 octane fuel that are on the CloD map need be considered. It will cut down immensely on the data that has to be collected and sent to 1C. All other bases are irrelevant for the game though not for history. |
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Just a word on how British airbases were supplied with aviation fuel: according to the Official War History "Oil" starting in 1938 the British built a network of pipelines which distributed fuel from ports, refineries, (eg; Stanlow), through a series of Air Force Distribution Centres - small, well protected fuel bunkers, to airfields (p.64). The airfields themselves did not store large quantities of fuel;
from The Battle of Britain Then and Now Vol V.: Debden: Sector Station had fuel storage for 72,000 gallons or 228 tons.(p. 190) Kenley, Sector Station, had fuel storage for 35,000 gallons or 110 tons (p. 46) - with two to three squadrons operating from a sector station how long would it take to use up the fuel stored on site? Westhampnett, had storage for 24,000 gallons of aviation fuel, or 76 tons (p. 42): Many of the smaller airbases did not have fixed fuel storage, relying on petrol bowsers (tanker trucks to Americans). The unit responsible in 1940 for the distribution of Aviation Spirit and Explosives was 42 Maintenance Group, which was formed in Jan 1939 http://www.rafweb.org/Grp04.htm Last edited by NZtyphoon; 04-08-2012 at 05:08 AM. |
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lol, no worries, just oversight. I was worried for a second that you were doing a Kurfurst on me ![]() Well I think there are multiple related problems but the main would be Bug: Boost cut out does not apply boost power to the spitfire or hurricane and the boost gauge does not read 12lbs. According to the pilots notes it should.......blah blah.....FTH.....blah Missing Feature: FMB, option to add either 87 or 100 octane fueled RAF aircraft to a mission. The flight models would be different for each type when full power is applied. |
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Going waaay back is this observation: (I've added some of the units which reported the use of 100 Octane.)
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20 squadrons preliminary count - er- er - I though someone said only 16 Squadrons used 100 Octane, pending an "eventual change" meaning (say) 10 airbases - er - how do 20 Sqns go into 16? (Feel free to add other squadrons/airbases). Why has someone not bothered mentioning Blenheims also using 100 Octane while, some time ago, acknowledging that Blenheims used 100 Octane fuel? Has this since been retracted, or just -conveniently - forgotten about? Quote:
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You have 18 squadrons by that list by sometime in September. You only have 16 squadrons thru August..... You have 12 squadrons in July..... 10 Squadrons in June.... 9 in May...... 5 squadrons in March.... 4 Squadrons in February.... Seems a much more realistic deployment schedule for operating the engines at 3 times their design capacity. |
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Get a Spitfire Mk I POH and read the maximum continuous rating. That is the maximum power the engine is designed to safely and reliability produce. Mixture control Normal = +4 1/2 lbs at 2600rpm Why do you think the RAF called +12lbs "a definite overload condition"? |
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I just counted the squadrons by month and dropped the repeats.... |
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