Fultures!

[pstyle]

Originally Posted by AbortedMan

Why do all you ATAG guys take everything as a personal attack when the economics of gameplay is brought up about your current server condition?

prove that they took this as a "personal attack" (TM) first before you go asking why.

[AbortedMan]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Colander

A few ideas:

1.- We can bring down the server - No more complaints
2.- We can ban all the complainers - No more complaints
3.- We can password protect the server - No more complaints

Maybe this way, whiners will create their own server and make amazingly great missions that every one (read 100%) of the pilots love. I think that with this incentive, many incredibly good servers will pop up!

Thanks,
ATAG_Colander

The online community attempts to address an issue that they feel needs attention and you call it complaints and threaten with shutting down/banning/locking...nice.

This thread is a lot better than most on this forum. It's fairly constructive criticism and the posts are mostly thought-out and voiced concerns of player's opinions, why the instant "troll" label?

[Flanker35M]

S!

Vulching/spawn camping/insert your word here/ is present in any game. Live with it or quit playing/change game/server/whatever if the server allows it. Personally I do not do it..if I catch a plane on ground with my bombs if the field is a target listed then it is a bonus. But staying near a hornets' nest = begging for trouble Rather go in fast for the target and get the hell out even faster

[pstyle]

Originally Posted by AbortedMan

The online community attempts to address an issue that they feel needs attention and you call it complaints

They raised an issue, but in the negative. This is otherwise known as a complaint. I call it a complaint.
It's a complaint.

[SiThSpAwN]

I bet most real 109 pilots would rather have caught British planes on the ground than in the air

[ATAG_Colander]

Originally Posted by AbortedMan

The online community attempts to address an issue that they feel needs attention and you call it complaints and threaten with shutting down/banning/locking...nice.

This thread is a lot better than most on this forum. It's fairly constructive criticism and the posts are mostly thought-out and voiced concerns of player's opinions, why the instant "troll" label?

1.- Is not "The online community". Is a handful of people.
2.- It will be fairly constructive once all the "critics" have their own server and share experiences in mission building. Until then, criticizing is just that, criticizing.
3.- When some one that does have the experience tries to explain why things are one way or the other and I see him get attacked by people with no interest in understanding what is being said, I call that trolling.
4.- When trolls attack, people gets tired of trolls.
5.- When people gets tired of trolls....

[AbortedMan]

Originally Posted by pstyle

They raised an issue, but in the negative. This is otherwise known as a complaint. I call it a complaint.
It's a complaint.

Way to paraphrase and take that sentence out of context...try using the entire piece of what someone says when you quote next time. It'll keep the discussion on track.

If 1C threatened with banning/shutting down/locking the game for people that tried to raise an issue, but in the negative...aka, a "complaint" do you think that'd be a valid way to support/address/improve things for people?

Someone has an opinion so they vocalized it on a forum, where it belongs. The OP had a legitimate concern, and as broken as his English may be, he was constructive and civil...now 9 pages later you're bickering at me about the definition of a "complaint," server admins are talking of shutting down servers and banning the people stating their opinions...it's ridiculous.

I should just start acting like the real troll that I'm being treated like, CAPSLOCK and trollface pics and all.

[AbortedMan]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Colander

1.- Is not "The online community". Is a handful of people.
2.- It will be fairly constructive once all the "critics" have their own server and share experiences in mission building. Until then, criticizing is just that, criticizing.
3.- When some one that does have the experience tries to explain why things are one way or the other and I see him get attacked by people with no interest in understanding what is being said, I call that trolling.
4.- When trolls attack, people gets tired of trolls.
5.- When people gets tired of trolls....

Dude, the online community IS a handful of people!

[ATAG_Septic]

Originally Posted by AbortedMan

Way to paraphrase and take that sentence out of context...try using the entire piece of what someone says when you quote next time. It'll keep the discussion on track.

If 1C threatened with banning/shutting down/locking the game for people that tried to raise an issue, but in the negative...aka, a "complaint" do you think that'd be a valid way to support/address/improve things for people?

Someone has an opinion so they vocalized it on a forum, where it belongs. The OP had a legitimate concern, and as broken as his English may be, he was constructive and civil...now 9 pages later you're bickering at me about the definition of a "complaint," server admins are talking of shutting down servers and banning the people stating their opinions...it's ridiculous.

I should just start acting like the real troll that I'm being treated like, CAPSLOCK and trollface pics and all.

I believe you are misunderstanding the situation entirely and that this misunderstanding fuels your grievance and attitude. I prefer to believe this to the only other alternative, that you are indeed a Troll.

ATAG is not a corporation, it's not a business, there's no grand-plan, it all hinges on one man. You perhaps don't believe it but it is merely an individual's altruistic endeavor.

Please prove my belief right, understand the real situation and call an end to this.

Septic.

[klem]

Feet back on the ground and a lesson from history. Please forgive me if I don't get the books off the shelf and trawl through for the exact airfield and Geshwader but Al Deere in his book "Nine Lives" and Pierre Closterman (who was on the same raid in a different Squadron) in his book "The Big Show" tell of the time they took off across the channel to a LW airfield to where FW190s had just relocated.

The plan was for Deere's wing to fly at treetop level to the LW field and hit them on the ground. The French Squadron was to loiter south at low altitude to intercept any interference from other LW units.

As Deere's Wing approached the field they saw from a distance the entire Geschwader lined up for takeoff. By the time they go there the alarm had been raised and the FWs were up and running in all directions. They shot up what they could at the field but if they had arrived two minutes earlier.......

Yes there was lots of flak but most of them got away with it due to surprise.

There are other similar stories.

So, expect it, it happens/happened. Extend your gameplay experience. Take off from a safe field, fly with others, get position and advantage if you can. If you want simple safe lone-wolf shoot 'em ups fly somewhere other than ATAG. Try the Repka servers.