Oleg's dream

[Feathered_IV]

50/50 at the moment. Could go either way.

[JG52Krupi]

What makes you say that, the fact that we know what they are planning to work on in the next coming months and as luthier has said before no news is good news.

So we know when the next patch is due we know what they are planning to improve upon but even with this knowledge unless luthier is here to hold your hand then that means everyone can troll away... What a mature bunch of what 25 to 40 year olds.

[LoBiSoMeM]

I love people talking about RoF as a benchmark to compare with CloD.

Please, people who do that, launch a mission in CloD with some ground units moving, like a transport column, cargo train, with textures, models, efects, shadows, forest + HIGH, hit F2+CTRL or SHIFT, and come back here to talk about how great RoF is...

Nothing today compares to CloD. People are lazy, people don't explore all the content in CloD and talk a lot of nonsense, like a bunch of console players.

I was disapointed as hell in the release, because the sim was unplayable. But now? Even with bugs it's amazing! RoF? Give me a break... Is a good sim, but don't compare to CloD.

[LoBiSoMeM]

Originally Posted by Sturm_Williger

My personal feeling is that Oleg and team simply bit off more than they could chew when planning for the IL2-successor. They wanted it to have everything that IL2 didn't have as well as all it did have. In effect, a top down approach to building and they ended up with it trying to do too much.

So it's not so much built for "tomorrow's computers" as merely trying to do too much. However, with it released and being steadily optimised and debugged, the fact is that PC's will continue to gain power and memory and thus will slowly catch up to the features that are currently "overoptimistic".

Taking the long view, it's going to be pretty amazing, even if the short view is a tad frustrating.

Nonsense talking, and spreading like a cancer over this forum. The sim runs well in TODAY hardware, it's nothing so "impossible" to run, but we have major bugs that restrain fluid performance sometimes.

I can run really ok (+40FPS, quality high, lots of trees) in my Phenom X4 3.4 Ghz, 4GB RAM, GTX 560 Ti. That's not a "tomorrow's computer". Please, can we stop talking this nonsense? I'll be glad... It's boring...

As I said, people are LAZY. People like to spend all money in some rig, get a game and put all sliders UP, even SSAO, and expect fluid +60 FPS. Try that in RoF: all sliders up, that not do 0,1% in visual quality upgrade but make the sim a slideshow... People act as console players, that don't have to know how to configure game graphic settings. I post a lot of videos with high quality settings and great performance, but people STILL talking this kind of thing... "Future harware"... Maybe I have a NASA computer and don't know!

Strange!

[Feathered_IV]

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi

What makes you say that, the fact that we know what they are planning to work on in the next coming months and as luthier has said before no news is good news.

Not that. I was thinking more long term. The chances of seeing things like a non-placeholder AI speech system, realistic numbers of ships, campaigns and whatnot. Things like that are very costly and might just as likely remain much as they are.

[JG52Krupi]

Were already getting a new ship in the next patch.

But I agree I was expecting more ships but they will come hell I wouldn't mind modelling some myself

[robtek]

@LoBiSoMeM

the restricted version, that we have now, is running on todays pc's, ok.
But!!! The full version, with all gimmicks enabled (hint: dynamic weather) will need tomorrows pc, or even the next generation thereafter.

Originally Posted by LoBiSoMeM

I love people talking about RoF as a benchmark to compare with CloD.

Please, people who do that, launch a mission in CloD with some ground units moving, like a transport column, cargo train, with textures, models, efects, shadows, forest + HIGH, hit F2+CTRL or SHIFT, and come back here to talk about how great RoF is...

Nothing today compares to CloD. People are lazy, people don't explore all the content in CloD and talk a lot of nonsense, like a bunch of console players.

I was disapointed as hell in the release, because the sim was unplayable. But now? Even with bugs it's amazing! RoF? Give me a break... Is a good sim, but don't compare to CloD.

why not? ROF has more features in every aspect of the sim than CLOD....yes it had at release too....better looking graphics...FM and DM on par with CLOD (if not better)...and in the end its better optimised (with some minor flaws, yes)....
I would like to place all the f*ing units you sugested but even without them he sim is more or less unplayable on my (not weak) system...
hypnotised die hard fans....you cant fight them even with facts...we have them in ROF too

[Strike]

Originally Posted by Tvrdi

why not? ROF has more features in every aspect of the sim than CLOD....yes it had at release too....better looking graphics...FM and DM on par with CLOD (if not better)...and that the end its better optimised (with some minor flaws, yes)....
I would like to place all the f*ing units you sugested but even without them he sim is more or less unplayable on my (not weak) system...
hypnotised die hard fans....you cant fight them even with facts...we have them in ROF too

wake up. RoF has been out for 2 years. CloD has been out for 2 and a half months. Don't even try to tell me that RoF was perfect on release, because I've played it from day 1. I think in order to get an unbiased comparison, you need to look at CloD in 2013, and compare it to RoF at present day. Catch my drift? Now go take a nap

[ATAG_Bliss]

Originally Posted by Tvrdi

why not? ROF has more features in every aspect of the sim than CLOD....yes it had at release too....better looking graphics...FM and DM on par with CLOD (if not better)...and that the end its better optimised (with some minor flaws, yes)....
I would like to place all the f*ing units you sugested but even without them he sim is more or less unplayable on my (not weak) system...
hypnotised die hard fans....you cant fight them even with facts...we have them in ROF too

You must not know much about old IL2 or the new one. You could damage a cockpit in IL2 almost 10 years ago. You can't even do that in ROF now. ROF's DM flat out sucks ass. You can lawn dart your plane at 300MPH straight into the ground and the fuselage is still intact. I mean LOL. You can aim a gunner directly at a pilot (both planes stationary) and it will take you 4 to 5 bullets to kill someone regardless of where the bullet hits. The only thing ROF has is wings that bend when they break.

IL2COD has easily 10x the details 10x the DM and 10x the content of ROF. And you say ROF has more features? Are you for real? ROF doesn't even simulate the different machine guns or the ballistics for the different weapons. You'd think with only a few different guns, they'd be able to at least do that one? Guess what? Old IL2 even does this. And speaking of features, just check out IL2's FMB compared to the ME. ROF is on it's 3rd year and IL2COD on it's initial release has literally 50 times the amount of objects available to use. Heck IL2's vehicles even all have different serial numbers when you place them. ROF has a grossly limited game engine. That's why the trenches that were actually full in WW1 are completely empty in ROF. Try to fill them up with sparingly low amounts of objects and a mission won't even load in ROF. Now take IL2 or IL2COD and place 1000's of objects and 1000's of planes and it will load. You can't do 1/20th of that with ROF. And anyone that thinks ROF was good on release must not have been an online player. Our squad waited for months for a patch that would even allow you to play the game for more than 10 minutes without the master browser going down, which btw, still goes down! And in it's 3rd year of development, the most people you can have on a single online server (AI included) is around 50 planes because the server crashes or the master browser disconnects. Heck, ROF just introduced engine smoke, a further object distance, and fog during the time of day. This is all stuff that came from IL2 lol.

ROF has a heck of a long way to catch up to the DM and details of 10 year old IL2, let alone IL2COD. Obviously Cliffs isn't perfect and obviously it's being worked on, but to say ROF even holds a candle to it is laughable. ROF is a 1vs1 FPS plane shooter. It's game engine will never simulate flying during the 1st world war. IL2COD/IL246 on the other hand is not limited and can simulate whatever you can possibly imagine in the form of a mission. The newly released career mode is essentially a picture book with some medals to win. If you actually think any of those missions have 1/100th of the stuff going on in the ground of WWI, you better open a history book. Because you definitely won't find them in game.

I'm not disagreeing that IL2COD isn't working properly. It's got a huge amount of bugs that WILL BE fixed. But ROF is still trying to implement things that a 10 year old sim has (old IL2). When it gets to that point, maybe they can try to get some of the details from the new IL2. Until then, to say ROF has anywhere near the features or detail of IL2 is flat out laughable.