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04-22-2011, 02:21 PM
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To me, this pretty much sums up some of the reactions seen on this subject.
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04-22-2011, 02:33 PM
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This all reminds me of that saying about people getting the leaders or politicians they deserve.
If there are things 'wrong' with the sim, they're matched by the things that are 'wrong' with the community itself. I'm waiting and looking forward to the sim getting patched up to a better level, not just so I can enjoy the sim itself more, but because the better it gets the less utter s*** I'll have to trawl through on the forums when I come here looking for useful information. This may be one of the worst initial releases in flight sim history, but it is without a doubt the worst display of behaviour from a flight sim community I've ever seen. And that's after having moderators working overtime to delete and ban posts and users that I've thankfully never even had to see. There are a lot of people here who should just quietly uninstall the sim and go do something else with their time. But knowing they won't, it's up to me to bite my own tongue and just put up with it. Which is what I usually do, even though it's like searching through a mansion for something, and in every room there are these miserable creatures telling me how much they don't like this or that, while threatening to hold their breath and stamping their feet until they get what they want. You know what, I really don't give a f*** what you want. And your sense of entitlement is just mind-boggling, as mind-boggling as the delusions of granduer that allow you to claim to know exactly what's wrong with the sim, what went wrong with, and how it should be 'fixed'. How is it we're not up to our necks in combat flight sims with all these f****** experts populating the scene? Do you really think the developers, or anyone else, needs to be told what's missing from or buggy about the sim at the moment? Do you really think the dev's haven't got a list a mile long of things to do? Just shut up and let them get on with it. Notify them of any bugs you find that you think they might not already know about and then shut the f*** up about it. And for f***'s sake stop trying to pass off the satisfaction of your selfish wants as something essential for the success of the sim. The developers don't need to tell you anything. There is nothing, absolutely nothing they can possibly say or do that will stop people from complaining, about what they're told or not told, or about what is or isn't, or is or isn't going to be, included in the sim. Get real. Anything they say will just be twisted and used against them, straight away or at some future date. *If you can currently play the game or use the sim to your satisfaction, then do so, and use these forums as a place for discussions related to that. *If you can't currently play the game or use the sim to your satisfaction and need help with it, then use these forums to get help in doing so. *If you can't currently play the game or use the sim to your satisfaction because of bugs or missing features, then use the appropriate section of the forums to matter-of-factly state what's missing or what the bug is, and wait patiently for it to be fixed or included. *If you can't currently play the game or use the sim to your satisfaction because of bugs or missing features and can't wait patiently for them to be fixed or included, then uninstall the game and go do something else. *If you can't currently play the game or use the sim to your satisfaction because of bugs or missing features and can't wait patiently for them to be fixed, and insist on using these forums as a venue for your frustration or disappointment, then you're just another f****** troll, no matter how nicely you present yourself. It's been about three weeks since the non-Russian version of the game was released. If their past history and what the dev's themselves have said is anything to go by, the new IL-2 series will continue to get patched and added to for the duration of it's life, so you'd better get used to it. There was stuff in the old series that was never changed, despite years of community discussion and debate about it. If you think everything you could possible want to happen with this series is going to happen, think again. Get your own house in order, look at your own priorities and expectations and wants before you start making demands of others. The new series will rise or fall on it's own merits. The doubters and haters will always be buzzing around looking for the s*** bits, and if the sim looks to be faltering they'll turn up en masse like they have over the last few weeks. But as the game gets cleaned up the pests will slowly move on, as they have been doing since the last patch, replaced by people who are actually using the game and finding ways to enjoy it. In terms of reviews. Assuming they're still objective enough to point out the good with the bad and aren't just writing outright biased crap, reviewers have to be honest with their readers, at least to the extent that they have to be in order to cover their own arses and not have thier readers come back at them after having been misled. So yeah, they just have to tell it the way they see it. And if they're simply incapable of seeing the aspects of the sim that some of us can see, and which make it worthwhile even in its current state, well then their readers (the ones that blindly follow reviews anyway) probably can't see those aspects either, and it's probably just as well that they get turned away from it. If they're not interested enough in it to find the good bits that are already there, they're probably not going to be interested enough in it to learn all the things they'd need to learn in order to make the most of it in the long run either. That's assuming too we're interested in having long-term users, and not just trying to dupe people into buying something we know they're not going to stick with. So, in a nutshell, the reviews don't really matter in my opinion, as long as they're being honest, and not saying there's nothing at all good about the sim. People who are actually interested will still get on board if a review mentions the game or sim has features those people are interested in, even if the review is bad overall... In the time it's taken me to write this the thread has moved on and this all seems a bit out of context now, but this was my reaction to what I was reading a few pages back anyway. In any case, don't take it too seriously, any of it. Life's too precious to be wasting it getting upset over what adds up to nothing more than a form of entertainment for us end-users. Let the developers worry about it and decide for themselves what to do, it's their livelihoods that are at stake, not yours. You can't save them from themselves, and unless you're standing in their shoes you can't possibly know what it is they should do. You just have to trust them and hope that it works out for the best, for them as the developers, and in turn, for you as their customers. Just a final note addressing the OP, you got your answer. Some people won't raise a finger to help, but will be more than willing to share in the rewards later, it's just a fact of life. Don't beat yourself up over it. The new series may rise up and reach it's full potential, or it may crash and burn, there's only so much any of us can do to influence that either way, and you just have to accept, while still doing your part to help it succeeed, that there are others who won't.
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04-22-2011, 02:37 PM
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Last edited by kimosabi; 04-22-2011 at 02:43 PM.
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04-22-2011, 02:55 PM
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I don't understand why this community finds it so hard to accept that people are angry about being sold an unfinished game (without warning) at full price, especially as digital customers can't take their copy back to the shop. If the developers wanted us to be playtesters then perhaps they should have organised a scheme where people could have volunteered rather than be charged £/€/$40 for the privilege. As a Steam customer I have no choice but to stick with the game; that said I doubt I shall be buying any games released by 1C/Ubisoft in the foreseeable future.
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04-22-2011, 03:03 PM
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OK, OK, OK...I've read enough.
The good news. The COD community is very passionate about their sim. The bad news. The COD community is very passionate about their sim. The real news. A MAJOR patch will be included with the U.S. release and all the negativity will be replaced by positivity. Everyone knows where the game is today, good points and bad. We havent been told what happened in the past to bring us to where we are today. All speculation...it's Maddox!!!, it's Ubi!!!, it's Oleg!!!, it doesnt matter. Many things about this sim are great. Many things are broken and they are being fixed. I bought COD and enjoy it now and will enjoy it more when it's polished. The developers have said a major patch will be released in about a month so let's pop a Valium and sit tight.
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I predict the U.S patch will include, both small patches and some small bits of extra content such as a few MP maps and small fixes to FM's & DM's. I dont know why you expect radical changes and the game to run streamlined. The US market has been led to believe by various organisations that it has the most important system, this is not true, every release in every country is just as important as the US release. The forum knows that the delays in release to the US market is because as quoted "the rest of the world does not have such a sue culture" not because they want to get all geared up for the major patch to boost morale, they just wanna try to provide whats actually written on the box so they dont get sued Not having a pop by the way just saying the major patch wont be so major even if selling to the U.S Last edited by BigPickle; 04-22-2011 at 03:27 PM.
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