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IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover Latest instalment in the acclaimed IL-2 Sturmovik series from award-winning developer Maddox Games.

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Old 04-17-2011, 11:50 PM
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The reviewers comments are accurate IMHO.

I myself am now after several evenings of tweaking, enjoying a reasonably satisfying gaming experience particularly with the dramatic increase of quality with the damage modelling.

Even though overall performance with CoD for me at this time is poor, I have now seen enough to know that this will be significantly superior to the original IL2 given time.

Cheers, CS.
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Old 04-18-2011, 12:13 AM
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With the beta patch, I actually have smoother game-play than Il-2 1946. It's like a dream, to see a low level airfield attack, with flak bursts and huge fountains of earth erupting, and cars driving around, without any stutters at all. A year from now, we will be hearing about 1,000s of people having their lives ruined from becoming addicted to CloD. I'd be addicted now if we had some more maps like Malta and Libya.
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Old 04-18-2011, 06:23 AM
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You CANT expect customers to have the opinion that 'oh it'll mature like a bottle of wine' esp now days, they already got my money but it doesn't mean Im gonna play it, there's not much there to play even if it was running perfectly which it isn't. I hope the U.S. release goes better but they have their work cut out for them in a critical way, we'll see how much more patience Ubi has because this can't go on for ever..we're talking YEARS of more dev time to fix this at the current rate! Good luck.
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Old 04-18-2011, 07:55 AM
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You CANT expect customers to have the opinion that 'oh it'll mature like a bottle of wine' esp now days, they already got my money but it doesn't mean Im gonna play it, there's not much there to play even if it was running perfectly which it isn't. I hope the U.S. release goes better but they have their work cut out for them in a critical way, we'll see how much more patience Ubi has because this can't go on for ever..we're talking YEARS of more dev time to fix this at the current rate! Good luck.
It's a well-known fact that most people these days don't have the patience to last them through a commercial break on TV let alone the patience to let a developer actually fix the issues. And they CANNOT do so without clear answers from the community.

Yes, the sim should have been flawless (or at least had less bugs than it currently has) when it was launched. Well, it is what it is, and we all accepted that when we bought the sim. I, however, AM a firm believer that a good sim is like a good bottle of wine, and just by the look of the two last patches that 1C has given out, the performance has leaped ahead. I'm confident that the sim will be more than playable by the majority of customers within one to two months, and I for one am fully willing to wait for that time to come.

Years to fix the issues? I think not.
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Old 04-18-2011, 07:58 AM
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ROF was optimised after a year of tweaking, beta testers sweating etc....a year (althugh it was looking good right after the start)...lets hope CLOD will need less or at least not more than that....
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Old 04-18-2011, 09:24 AM
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well the time will tell how many damage is done...If it fails I will be sorry as I was looking for this title...then again with new HSFX and upcoming UP3.0 for "old" IL2 - I will be ok....

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Old 04-18-2011, 12:07 PM
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Hello,

just to say that I've found the review pretty fair.

And for all the fanboys that think that these guys at Gamespot are biased, they still have their reviews for the previous IL2 series. Here are the grades and first line of comments :

IL2 Sturmovik : http://www.gamespot.com/pc/sim/il2st...-review&page=2

Grade : 9.2/10. IL-2 Sturmovik is destined to be a classic. This is one of those simulations that reminds you why you love the genre.

Forgotten Battles : http://www.gamespot.com/pc/sim/il2st...lt%3Btitle%3B5

Grade : 8.6 Forgotten Battles doesn't make the sort of huge impact that the original game did, but it's generally a very worthy successor.

Ace Expansion Pack : http://www.gamespot.com/pc/sim/il2st...%3Bread-review

Grade : 8.5 The list of minor flaws could go on and on, but its total length is minuscule compared to the massive number of excellent additions this expansion serves up.

IL2 1946 : http://www.gamespot.com/pc/sim/il2st...lt%3Btitle%3B2

Grade : 8.5 A combination of all the former IL-2 Sturmovik games and expansions, as well as new 1946 combat from an alternated ending to World War II.

Yeah, they sound like biaised reviewers, sure. They absolutely loved IL2 original and gave good grades and good reviews to the sequels even if the grade shrunk because of aging graphics. What they said on CloDo is just as fair and as accurate as to what the software deserves. And, BTW, they also conclude by : You better leave the plane in the hangar for maintenance AT THE MOMENT. The reviewer is expecting the game to become a decent software at the end.

I wouldn't call that a biased review.
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Old 04-18-2011, 01:04 PM
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amateurs can do better job than "professionals". It is sad story, indeed...
Indeed, a sad story. Please point out the new WW2 flight sim produced by amateurs that is better than CoD. I'd like to buy it. Thanks!
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Old 04-18-2011, 02:03 PM
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A pretty fair review, IMO, the key phrase being ‘at the moment’. If it was to be reviewed today (post Friday’s beta patch, and before today’s Steam update), I’m sure it would have been entirely different.

I don’t think that this review would put off a dedicated sim fan, maybe (hopefully) just delay a decision to purchase. As mentioned, there are too few of this genre available at any rate, but I would also not categorise a flight sim fan as a ‘casual gamer’, the kind likely to be most influenced by this review.

Today the game’s major flaw would have probably been the AI’s improbable aerobatics, judging by current posts
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Old 04-18-2011, 02:05 PM
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Considering the big sites are mainstream gamers oriented they usually overrate and easily give away nines for dumb games, this silly 4.0 is a really bad note, adding to this Gamespot is a CBS/US game site and the game is not even released there. None of them will play the russian state version and 90% of those reviews will be out dated by Monday, the patched game already deserve a 7.
Warning the kiddies by saying it's not your casual pop corn game is ok, but ultimately trashing the game with a fubar rating while tons of people are already enjoying it, is ridiculous.
European critics were right the game was indeed unplayable, now this ugly picture is fading out and a stunning CoD at high resolution is revealed.
The European point of view has to stop because it is no longer relevant or the US release will be another fiasco only based on false rumors this time.
It was to be expected. It is clearly visible that the reviewer knows the old IL2 and was hoping for the next game to make it big. Although he also must rememver that he is to publish a fair review, giving an average user on how the game runs, feels, looks. And in that respect the review is fair, to be honest. 1C also must make games applicable to the wider crowd, and it does since we have the wide range of difficulty/realism settings. In this case the planning WAS horrid and we can`t do nothing about it. CoD is taking hits and seems trailing black smoke from one of the four engines currently. But it is not too late. Saldy for me to say, 1C will have to make up a HELL OF A LOT to make this game come back to the stage lights. It is required that they make multiple patches, and quick. Also, the communication with the community should be sustained , because it just may be the current biggest asset of 1C and that is community & product support.

It is also relatively "easy" to make a comeback - just put out another COD product - meaning an expansion pack. We have two pros here :
1 - they get additional money from the hardcore crowd (me 100% I buy it);
2 - they will trigger additional reviews which then will have to review not only the exp. pack, but take into account the full product aswell ;
3 - CoD can remind other users of its existence.


With that said, more such reviews will cause a catastrophe to CoD. Me, I damn KNOW that if back in 2001 I saw a bad review of IL2, I wouldn`t even touch it hence I would never know my #1 game ever.
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