Oleg Maddox's Room #1

[nearmiss]

It is difficult flying C.E.M. when the stick is in the way full cockpits. It's even more difficult flying C.E.M. in the HUD.

The Slip and Ball is best tool for targeting enemy, and RPM gauge is necessary for C.E.M. management of the prop settings for sure.

The LA-7 both the Slip and Ball and RPM gauge is obstructed by the stick that does absolutely nothing.

Sure I realize after you become accustomed to the sounds of the aircraft you can pretty well guess about the C.E.M, but you sure can't guess about the SLip and Ball, because there is not way we can sense the YAW that takes us off the target.
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I haven't checked out the BOB SOW planes to see if instruments will be obstructed by the stick.

What do we need the stick for? Do we need pilot legs, sticks or sticks with hands on them... NO!

I think these things should be considered

[klem]

I searched the thread for 'airfield layout' and no joy, so....

Oleg,

will BoB have reasonably historically accurate airfield layouts, at least in England. Born and raised in the '11 group area', playing on bombsites and knowing these airfields, it would be a big disappointment if they were all plastic generic types. Here's hoping.

I did say 'reasonably accurate' - as in general layout. I wonder if you ever got the photos I sent of the 'standard' layout for RAF domestic sites?

Looking forward to SOW:BoB.

[Bobb4]

Originally Posted by nearmiss

It is difficult flying C.E.M. when the stick is in the way full cockpits. It's even more difficult flying C.E.M. in the HUD.

The Slip and Ball is best tool for targeting enemy, and RPM gauge is necessary for C.E.M. management of the prop settings for sure.

The LA-7 both the Slip and Ball and RPM gauge is obstructed by the stick that does absolutely nothing.

Sure I realize after you become accustomed to the sounds of the aircraft you can pretty well guess about the C.E.M, but you sure can't guess about the SLip and Ball, because there is not way we can sense the YAW that takes us off the target.
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I haven't checked out the BOB SOW planes to see if instruments will be obstructed by the stick.

What do we need the stick for? Do we need pilot legs, sticks or sticks with hands on them... NO!

I think these things should be considered

Agree and disagree at the same time. Yes slip and slide are important and so is engine management. Oleg has already stated that 6DOF will be modelled for trackir users making it easy to see all instrumentation. Hopefully a lean left and right can be modelled for non trackir users as well.
Hands on joysticks are better than floating sticks with invisible hands and the latter is better than none. Next you will be saying no rudder pedals...
For that matter why have a cockpit at all? Just easy to see instruments!!!!
If that is what you want it is already modelled. Some of us however like realistically modelled cockpits even with viewing restrictions.

[nearmiss]

Originally Posted by Bobb4

Agree and disagree at the same time. Yes slip and slide are important and so is engine management. Oleg has already stated that 6DOF will be modelled for trackir users making it easy to see all instrumentation. Hopefully a lean left and right can be modelled for non trackir users as well.
Hands on joysticks are better than floating sticks with invisible hands and the latter is better than none. Next you will be saying no rudder pedals...
For that matter why have a cockpit at all? Just easy to see instruments!!!!
If that is what you want it is already modelled. Some of us however like realistically modelled cockpits even with viewing restrictions.

Your logical thinking is screwy.

Next you will be saying no rudder pedals...
For that matter why have a cockpit at all? Just easy to see instruments!!!!
If that is what you want it is already modelled. Some of us however like realistically modelled cockpits even with viewing restrictions.

I realize I can move the stick aside abit in the LA-7 and see the RPM gauge and the SLip and Ball, funny thing is when I move the stick to see the ball I move the ball. LOL

Straight up, why do we need a wiggling stick that serves no purpose. I could care less if we have moveable pedals in the cockpit either, but they don't obstruct the view of the panel.

Face it, all I have to do is know what my feet are doing to know where the pedals area... then the joystick is right in front of me as well.

I'd rather Oleg took the time to improve some things that make a difference rather than screwing around with a worthless cockpit stick.

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I've spent most of the day trying to get a handle on CEM for flying the LA-7 Online. It was a complete lesson in futility. I doubt most aircraft are as screwed with the stick blocking necessary gauges as LA-7. The LA-7 not being a very popular aircraft maybe why more complaints haven't been made.

THe LA-7 if flown with CEM does let the player get higher performance than flying the AutoCEM. In fact, I think it might be considered necessary in some combat.

I guess the answer to this is - just outmanuever your opponent. Now it's fixed. LOL

[klem]

>What do we need the stick for?<

It's a nice touch in terms of eye candy but it hinders more than it helps. 6DOF TIR will help me but what about everyone else?

Easy solution here is to make the 'stick visible' an option for the payer in setup.

I assume someone has already asked for compasses we can actually read? (Sorry I didn't trawl all 88 pages).

[iborg]

Hello, I have a question regarding BoB.
How will navigation be modeled ? Currently (in Il2), we have either a super-precise GPS system or nothing at all on the mini-map. The "nothing" part is the most realistic, for sure, but it's too much of a hassle for most players to do their own visual and dead-reckoning navigation.
How about and intermediate system, in which ownplane's position would be signalled on the map by a circle of uncertainty of variable diameter. For example, flying straight and in view of landmarks would give a fairly small circle, while flying erratically (or fighting) above clouds or the sea would produce a greater circle of uncertainty inside which your plane actually is. Of course, if you then fly in view of a landmark (or have RF navigation systems onboard) the circle will then reduce.

[Oktoberfest]

Originally Posted by nearmiss

Your logical thinking is screwy.



I realize I can move the stick aside abit in the LA-7 and see the RPM gauge and the SLip and Ball, funny thing is when I move the stick to see the ball I move the ball. LOL

Straight up, why do we need a wiggling stick that serves no purpose. I could care less if we have moveable pedals in the cockpit either, but they don't obstruct the view of the panel.

Face it, all I have to do is know what my feet are doing to know where the pedals area... then the joystick is right in front of me as well.

I'd rather Oleg took the time to improve some things that make a difference rather than screwing around with a worthless cockpit stick.

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I've spent most of the day trying to get a handle on CEM for flying the LA-7 Online. It was a complete lesson in futility. I doubt most aircraft are as screwed with the stick blocking necessary gauges as LA-7. The LA-7 not being a very popular aircraft maybe why more complaints haven't been made.

THe LA-7 if flown with CEM does let the player get higher performance than flying the AutoCEM. In fact, I think it might be considered necessary in some combat.

I guess the answer to this is - just outmanuever your opponent. Now it's fixed. LOL

I would reply to that : Why do we have a big metal bar in front of the gunsight in the FW190 ?

[Bobb4]

Will flight modeling in SOW take into account real life aircraft limitations… Currently playing in IL2 ADW I am tired of dog fighting I-16’s at 8000m plus, a totally unrealistic application for an open cockpit plane with no oxygen. The pilot should literally freeze to death at least or suffer some negative effects preventing him staying so high.
It seems the IL2 engine models theoretical more than practical flight applications. I hope SOW rectifies this trend and brings aspects such as cockpit condition and oxygen supply into play.

[Bobb4]

Originally Posted by nearmiss

Your logical thinking is screwy.

Thanks...
Lets just say I disagree with the removal of the joystck, that does not mean I do not agree that an option should be allowed to remove it.
My own solution would be to allow non-trackir users the option to tilt their heads and adjust their head position to their liking making instruments they consider important visible without disturbing the eye-candy. or the immersion.
Yes we all have joysticks and that stick plonked in the middle only emulates what we are doing already.
But once you start deciding what should or should not be in a cockpit you start losing immersion and heading towards an arcade sim.
The off-set gunsights in the 109 and the 190 are a classic example of sticking to realism.
I may still push Shift F1 to remove the offset but I apprecieate the detail.
But yes an option to remove the joystick is not unreasonable

[Bobb4]

Originally Posted by nearmiss

I've spent most of the day trying to get a handle on CEM for flying the LA-7 Online. It was a complete lesson in futility. I doubt most aircraft are as screwed with the stick blocking necessary gauges as LA-7. The LA-7 not being a very popular aircraft maybe why more complaints haven't been made.

THe LA-7 if flown with CEM does let the player get higher performance than flying the AutoCEM. In fact, I think it might be considered necessary in some combat.

I guess the answer to this is - just outmanuever your opponent. Now it's fixed. LOL

And the LA 7 is an incredibly dangerous opponent to dog-fight.
Its main flaw is poor dive performance. Engine management is all about listening to the engine and comes with experience. Playing with it’ fuel mixture and engaging and disengaging superchargers are all part of it’s charm.
Whenever one shoots me down, I feel that I have been truly outclassed because I know the pilot has had to work for his kill especially in a protracted engagement.
The first time I flew a Lagg I thought I had blown an engine before I learnt about fuel mixtures.
They take long to master do the Russian planes but once you do they are sweet and deadly.
So stick with the LA7, it is the best Red fighter mid to late war.