IL2 and Sound Modding

[RAF_Magpie]

Originally Posted by BSS_Sniper

From the guy that loves every mod at that site, FM, DM, WM modding, frankenplanes and disputes nothing, whatever it is, anything and everything goes. If thats all you have to contribute, why type anything?

LOL Gee, well you have me peg'd dont ya?

Infact you're so wrong its not funny. I dispute quite a lot - and am one of those who keeps reminding people over there that FM/DM/WM arent warrented there!

Infact I believe my point is rather correct - STOP your bitchin' and moaning - it aint going to change nothing!

[HanzBlixz]

Dooh...not very sharp for a razor.

“The concerns of the un-modded about cheating seems to be misplaced as long as the public servers out there are able to exclude someone with a modded version. Yet, anyone can fly on a mod friendly server, and can do so at their own discretion. I don't see any conflict.”

Maybe you should learn to read and/or take the time to read before all the books are burned. Many of us would really appreciate you doing this before you overwhelm our tiny brains with your massive wisdom.

Over 21,000 views, 850 replies and 85 pages in this thread (You might start there)
Its been proven and stated again and again as well as acknowledged by both sides, that 4.08m servers can not block the many cheats that have been developed through the use of the sound hack. (Translation: Public 4.08m Servers can NOT exclude the mods/cheats and that is where the “conflict” is.)

My guess is most players don't care about what goes on in a checkruntime=0 server as long as there is a future checkruntime=x to go to for good clean fun.

The hope lies with the “4.09 server" edition having better anti mod/cheat measures.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Urufu_Shinjiro

While I am disappointed/confused over what is happening with 4.09mb I do firmly beleive that AAA will not cross the FM/DM/Weapons line.

Yes but the folks at AAA are not the only ones doing mods. Bear in mind that the same guys who I quoted in that post a few pages back from the AAA site are not solely AAA members just as I am not a "UBI" guy.. I hit SHQ, SOH, Frugals,AAA,here... While I see no point in being hostile to those who prefer to use mods since many whom I know have nothing but the enjoyment of the sim at the heart as to why theychose to use mods, that does not change the fact that there are others who either think that 1C got it wrong and they know better... they can "fix" it.. and they aren't all at AAA, or they just want to take it to the max... in fact.. the two guys that I quoted said as much in their post that was deleted at AAA. There are other sites... other modders that we don't even know about, and those guys have no qualms at all about altering FMs, DMs, or any part of the sim that they can figure out.

THAT is why so many people were so vehemently opposed to the way that the hack was released in the first place. Those guys if they had any respect for Oleg, this sim, this community odf simmers, whether you hit 1C, SHQ or fly totally offline... SHOULD have tried to find a way to maintain the integrity of the sim before they just plastered the hack in cyberspace. They didn't, and what most people feared would come to pass is coming to pass.... regardless to all the "good intentions" of those guys who just fly offline, or just want to improve the sim and have no intent to touch FMs or DMs in any way, that is happening.

That is why from the onset when it became clear to me what the deal was I tried to at least fall back to form another line... that line being [i]let's try to hold the community together by establishing some kind of modus operandi, even if unenforceable, since at least 70% of the people who fly in this sim from all the polls taken not only recently but even years ago, show consistently that 60-75% give or take a few points, of the people who fly this sim are over 30, and maybe the majority of them would follow some kind of unwritten guidelines.... and that to me is not being naive. Sure not everyone will follow it, but many do.. there are unwritten rules in all walks of social behavior... but I got reamed for even suggesting it.

This is a done deal... the cat is out.. unless as I have said from the start Oleg & 1C come up with something..

LMAO... wouldn't it be a trip if the AAA community actually wound up becoming the "good" mod community. We haven't seen the "bad" guys yet.. and many of us naively assume that AAA is the final stop for mods. It isn't by a long shot. It is just the one that many of us see because a lot of it's members come from the UBIverse.. but they arent the only mod community going so if you are anti mod and you (the old hypothetical you of course..) want to hold on tho that anger..... save some ammo.. because you will be seeing more bandits than the ones at AAA... be sure.

Originally Posted by Urufu_Shinjiro

BS! That is the way of online play, f'ing get used to it, noone is imposing shit on you! It has ALWAYS been the case that to keep cheaters away you play with people you know, that will never change! Just because you have had the illusion that online play has been fair does not mean that it has been. Il2 has been leading a sheltered life so far, most of it denial anyway. Every other online game on the damn planet is that way, play with those you know or risk cheaters, why the f$%# start whining about it now?

I'm sorry if this offends some people but I am sick and damn tired of being accused of shit because I like some of the mods! I did not hack anything! I did not cheat anybody! I did not force my will on anyone! I didn't do shit to anybody so STFU and leave us all the hell alone, if you don't like the mods, then don't f'ing use them and go play your damn game. If you can't have fun with it anymore cause you can't deal with the real world then sucks to be you!

NOT SO!! The FACT still remains that in this sim until the public release of the hack the possibilities of cheating were vastly less likely that they are now. This is now a whole new ballgame.

As for YOU being a cheater... I don't know you well enough to call you one and frankly as I have always said from the start.. to call all modders cheaters is like calling all Black men with nice cars who live in the inner city drug dealers, or all cowboys racist, or all female athletes lesbians, or all Muslims terrorists.. it is in a word just plain stupid. I know people who use these mods... and they had integrity before they used them and AFAIC they still do. I know folks who use mods who either would not use them online, or if the server said "We do not want mods here" they would respect that... yeah yeah yeah.. there are those that won't.. but there are those that would... THAT is why I came up with the 5 points.. so that those who were not cheaters or had no intention of using mods where they weren't wanted and those who did not want them at all, could have a method to deal with that... and it wasnt all that complicated or hard to do just...

I know that I cant change people.. cheaters will cheat.... thieves will steal...
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Consider this sort of like a virtual Geneva Convention...

Server Protocols
1. All servers on Hyperlobby MUST be listed in their discriptions as Mod Friendly or Mod Free. In a Mod Free server NO MODS OF ANY KIND AT ANY TIME WILL BE ALLOWED. Period.
This is to be done by server admins, whether dedicated or COOP and is to be honored by all who join the servers.

2. All flyers are to follow the guidelines of the server they are joining. If you are one of the many folks with two installs, and you forget to switch to the unmodded version and you actually do get into a Mod Free server you are HONOR BOUND to leave and reenter with the proper version.
If you do not use the mods and you go into a Mod Friendly server do not complain or sling accusations of cheating etc. if you see something that is out of the ordinary. The odds are good that you will not notice anything unusual.. but if you do either leave the server or deal with it.

3. Upon entering a server whether Mod Friendly or Mod Free you will respect the the other flyers on the server, adhere to the mission goals in the case of a COOP or scripted DF server. In the case of a squadron in a Team Room you will ask permission to join the room before entering.

4. Where possible you will get on comms if the server has them.

5. The goal for most of us I am sure is to have fun and survive first. Therefore You will NOT team kill or kill steal. (Touching on number 4..) Any issues with other fliers in this regard will be settled as adults.. not as children and NOT in the server chat. In this regard if you see a pilot already on a target DO NOT shoot over his/her shoulder to get to it.

These are just guidelines folks. The issue of mods is very real and it will not go away. If we continue in the same direction that we are going on the community will be split even farther. By adhering these simple rules of conduct for online flying it is my sincere desire that much of the schism between the two groups will at least be more manageable. It is entirely up to us.

and even my fellow mods except for Quazi, not only did not support the notion, but totally poo pooed it, along with some others in this very thread from both sides of the fence. Some threatened to leave, I got told by both sides that I was trying to impose my will... and all kinds of silliness.. well guess what... THE MODS ARE STILL HERE.

And we are still going over this same old friggin BS.

[MOH_Hirth]

Now the IL-2 have the best improvements from two worlds, is amazing!
No reason to mod the final version 4.09 final.
Now we all can wait happy for SOW.

[BSS_Sniper]

Originally Posted by RAF_Magpie

LOL Gee, well you have me peg'd dont ya?

Infact you're so wrong its not funny. I dispute quite a lot - and am one of those who keeps reminding people over there that FM/DM/WM arent warrented there!

Infact I believe my point is rather correct - STOP your bitchin' and moaning - it aint going to change nothing!

I will now attempt to remove both of my feet and a few others I borrowed from my big mouth now. This may take some time however, I will return when I have completed this task. :\ I had the wrong name pegged mag! whoops..............

Forgive me for the love of God! ahhhhhhhh

[BSS_Sniper]

Originally Posted by MOH_Hirth

Now the IL-2 have the best improvements from two worlds, is amazing!
No reason to mod the final version 4.09 final.
Now we all can wait happy for SOW.

Too late, they hacked it within hours of it being posted. No regard to the rest of the community.

[MOH_Hirth]

I believe the mod from version 4.09 beta will not be compatible with final version 4.09.
If no compatibility, no problem.

[Robert]

There's a surprise. At least they're consistant.


Another wish on the BoB:SoW wishlist:

Destructive SRS files. If they remain uncracked they are harmless. Any cracking of the files would result in HD failure and CPU meltdown.


I can dream can't I?

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by BSS_Sniper

I just read, again, at that other site that someone modded specific aircraft WM to use safat rounds. Rone or Josse ring a bell? That isn't the only WM mod either.

Those are the same guys that I quoted before here and mentioned in my thread above...

[NeuralDream]

The only way for BoB:SoW to be safe from crackers and hackers is to be a complete failure. Otherwise it will be a juicy target.