The unfortunate turth

[Wolf_Rider]

Originally Posted by Tiger27

Sorry but this is just not correct, take for example the fact that currently DX9 is not working in this beta, that is not the PC owners fault it is the Devs fault, same goes for most of the long term bugs, they are not PC issues they are bugs, as the game tells people it will work on certain PC types, if this was not the case why are the devs rewriting most of the graphics engine?

I'm not actually complaining about the beta as I will wait for it to go to the final version before giving up on CoD until the next patch, it is just that your comments are incorrect and misleading.

1. It says the game will run on certain PC types

2. It is an Alpha patch, not a Beta patch

[Wolf_Rider]

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Originally Posted by PotNoodles

I never read anywhere where the Devs said they were releasing it for these reasons.

Originally Posted by BlackSix

The main purpose of the alpha is to find and squash any remaining or new bugs, especially crash bugs. The most common of the infamous launcher crashes have been fixed, but a few very hard to catch bugs remain. On average, a full day of flying causes about 0.8 crashes, and our internal testing has not yet provided the crash logs needed to zero in on the issue.

[outer beacon]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

Remember this post.. a few years from now.. when you ask yourself why no one is making games (flight sims) for PCs anymore and the only games (flight sims) you can by are for the X-Box and are dumbed down for the X-Box masses

Because it is attitudes like that which will make that day come sooner than later

Sorry? Attitudes like mine will bring about the fall of WWII flight sims on the PC? If that's all it's going to take, then going by what has already been written in 50% of threads on this forum, the genre is doomed already.

I asked a question, a valid one. I think Cliffs of Dover is a brilliant simulator, all I'm saying is it could be so much more if the damn thing worked on the majority of systems. Since release of this 'patch' I have sent 6 CTD reports. I had the same amount of CTDs over a 3 month period previous to the patch. I will continue to send any info the dev team need, so hopefully, one day, I enjoy this sim as it was meant to be.

So, tell me again. Is this evidence of me having a hardware problem (and an attitude problem..) ?

You guys who lost all critical thinking are just.... it is a waste of time to talk with you.

now customers are getting alpha patch, in first it was patch - epic fail, then two or three BETA patch - epic fail, and now it is ALPHA patch. Next one, if any, will be beta version of ALPHA patch. Afterwards, it will be alpha version of ALPHA patch... welll next-gen sim brings also next-gen kind of patches... The flight sim history in the making!

I have never ever in whole game industry's history saw such mess... In my 20 years of gaming I never saw so many new "terms", new "approaches", new "BS"... I believe that Steam community will never witness worse game than this EVER.

Get used to it. You all were transformed from customers to alpha testers for next sequel. Maybe Luthier should make you special status here, so we all see directly if you are tester, and later they can give you next sequel with discount, or map of Moscow and Luthier's poster with signature for free.

ACE_OF_ACES - you are fun to read, really... Fanatical members of this community are fewer and fewer... You will be the last one, for sure...

Not so funny is how few members here are twisting the meanings of words just to manipulate with people and put some lipstick on the pig, right?

edit. btw. I was shorting banks before the collapse of finance sector in USA and people in discussions were in same state of denial like some of you here... after one year of being told BS, less and less keep this "stock"... of course you are free to believe that same people in charge who caused this mess will find the solution and everything will be fine. Majority just gave up looooong time ago.

[carguy_]

Originally Posted by Opitz

You guys who lost all critical thinking are just.... it is a waste of time to talk with you.

Coming from a person of your attitude, it is a compliment, thank you.

now customers are getting alpha patch, in first it was patch - epic fail, then two or three BETA patch - epic fail, and now it is ALPHA patch. Next one, if any, will be beta version of ALPHA patch. Afterwards, it will be alpha version of ALPHA patch... welll next-gen sim brings also next-gen kind of patches... The flight sim history in the making!

Last time I read there was a vocal minority here that wanted the patch, even the alpha version of it. They got it allright. They found another reasons to complain too.

I have never ever in whole game industry's history saw such mess... In my 20 years of gaming I never saw so many new "terms", new "approaches", new "BS"... I believe that Steam community will never witness worse game than this EVER.

TBH I don`t remember when was the last time I saw such a mess too. But I`m not acting as if it was the end of the world. My advice if you can`t wrap your head around that would be : don`t.

Get used to it. You all were transformed from customers to alpha testers for next sequel. Maybe Luthier should make you special status here, so we all see directly if you are tester, and later they can give you next sequel with discount, or map of Moscow and Luthier's poster with signature for free.

And if this sim ever makes something it was meant to be from the start, you will be thanking those who provided bug reports and constructive critics to help. Because I have yet to understand why you insist on staying here and complaining instead of doing something better with your time.

Not so funny is how few members here are twisting the meanings of words just to manipulate with people and put some lipstick on the pig, right?

It would be good if you provided some examples of that.

edit. btw. I was shorting banks before the collapse of finance sector in USA and people in discussions were in same state of denial like some of you here... after one year of being told BS, less and less keep this "stock"... of course you are free to believe that same people in charge who caused this mess will find the solution and everything will be fine. Majority just gave up looooong time ago.

Comparing collapse of finance sector to a video game development. Nice one. Why don`t you just stick to the "buying a new car" analogy since you repeated it so many times that you have to get it right eventually.

[150GCT_Veltro]

For my opinion this is a dead project. After saturday i give it up. This game after so many months is still too crude and horrible to hope in somenthing more.

I would like only to know what has gone wrong with Storm of War, because it did look much better than this r*****h.


CoD will not be the new serie for the IL2 community, this for sure.

We'll see in the next two years with Moscow.

Originally Posted by carguy_

Coming from a person of your attitude, it is a compliment, thank you.


Last time I read there was a vocal minority here that wanted the patch, even the alpha version of it. They got it allright. They found another reasons to complain too.


TBH I don`t remember when was the last time I saw such a mess too. But I`m not acting as if it was the end of the world. My advice if you can`t wrap your head around that would be : don`t.


And if this sim ever makes something it was meant to be from the start, you will be thanking those who provided bug reports and constructive critics to help. Because I have yet to understand why you insist on staying here and complaining instead of doing something better with your time.



It would be good if you provided some examples of that.


Comparing collapse of finance sector to a video game development. Nice one. Why don`t you just stick to the "buying a new car" analogy since you repeated it so many times that you have to get it right eventually.

I will react only to your last reply...

I am not comparing collapse of finance sector and video game dev... I am comparing state of denial of FEW people here, who act on behalf of devs and whole community (cuz "dectractors" are not part of community) and put themselves in the position to judge whats good and whats wrong (for this game, combat sim world, video game industry etc...).

Beta patch is alpha patch. What devs really wanted from their customers - enjoy their game by playing it or to become their alphatesters?

Now all of you play "IL2: AT" game, where AT means ALPHA TESTING... Enjoy it, if you have nothing better to do...

P.S. Don't be angry, because people are fed up with Luthier making them fools once again...

[carguy_]

Originally Posted by Opitz

I am not comparing collapse of finance sector and video game dev... I am comparing state of denial of FEW people here, who act on behalf of devs and whole community (cuz "dectractors" are not part of community) and put themselves in the position to judge whats good and whats wrong (for this game, combat sim world, video game industry etc...).

Borderline comments are on both sides. Hard to say who is reacting to who, but that is certainly the case. It is obvious that there are quite a few ppl that always see the CloD glass half empty and try to impose their views on others (such are also comments accusing others of being in denial). Other people find this a reason to post something positive about the situation.

IMO whatever you are - a negative or positive person - you are part of this community. Even those who did not buy the game yet, but are lurking to find it in a fixed state.

Beta patch is alpha patch. What devs really wanted from their customers - enjoy their game by playing it or to become their alphatesters?

TBH I do not know why devs released it. They said multiple times before that they want to release the ready version. Why the shift of decisions it is not up to me to answer this. Maybe as BlackSix put it, they want to widen the testing crowd. My guess is they are unable to tell by themselves if the patch is ready or not. Anyway, if I had time to test it , I would. Out of pure will to help. I don`t see nothing wrong with that.

Now all of you play "IL2: AT" game, where AT means ALPHA TESTING... Enjoy it, if you have nothing better to do...

Well, I took my part in testing RCs back in the IL2 days when it was simple enough. Since Steam entered the scene, I don`t really think it is worth the effort and risking of being banned. Although I can see other ppl are willing to help. There were many requests for releasing the beta patch.

P.S. Don't be angry, because people are fed up with Luthier making them fools once again...

What constructive input can come from people being fed up about it?

[fruitbat]

pre patch,



post patch,

[Ataros]

Guys, if you read the patch notes the purpose of this alpha-release is not to make our flying more comfortable or enjoyable but to collect crash-logs and crash-dump files. CTDs of different nature (and specific to user hardware) are hunted and fixed one-by-one as goes from naryv's comment @sukhoi.ru I refer to here http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=31835

They reworked the core of the engine (multi-threading, etc.) that took probably 4-5 months and only now they will start fixing bugs with our feedback. Disappointing ATM because of a long wait but still very promising.

Send crash-reports and logs, post issues at bugtracker and vote for them. It will take time to fix them but the progress is visible if you read the link above.

Please vote to get high-res cockpits back here http://www.il2bugtracker.com/issues/246