The Northrop Grumman Issue.

[tk471138]

Originally Posted by Asheshouse

I believe that the original problem was not the creation of an "artwork" representing an NG aircraft, it was the use of the Grumman name on the box artwork without permission which caused the principal problem.

TBM-3 Avenger --- ok

Grumman Avenger --- not ok



Whatever the original reasons it was all overtaken by a separate wide ranging agreement which went way beyond normal copyright protection laws.

first off that is BS (im not saying you are wrong, but im saying grumman was wrong)...the REASON they used the name grumman in the name of the aircraft could be seen as given credit where credit is due...i mean grumman avenger is a name of a thing...so why not just use the whole name...im pretty sure no one was going to buy the game cuz the name grumman was on the box...its not like they were saying they had the backing of grumman they were simply stating the name of the plane and its manufacture....i guess next time i write a report and i include the company's name who makes a product i should have to pay them big bucks....at least this is where this crap is going....

thats like using someones full name and them getting mad at you for it....

these corporations are FICTIONAL entities that exist ONLY on paper...its the PEOPLE who are real...its the people that matter...not some corporations, who think they are people (look at politicians who say things like, "corporations are people too" and so on...) human beings have rights (endowed by their creator) corporations do not since they are created by man...


seriously people wake up stop being slaves to corporations and their whims...

[Igo kyu]

Originally Posted by tk471138

sorry international law does not apply to me.

Good luck with that, you'll need it.

So far it's mainly people being extradited TO the USA for breaking USAian laws while in their own country, but if you think your government can make that process one-way only AND get other governments to go along with that, you're not living in the real world.

[Fighterace]

Whatelse was planned for Pacific Fighters if NG hadnt put a restriction on certain things?

[Viking]

Its a bit old, spring this year, but the last guy in the video conects back to my first post so I find it interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgIzy...feature=relmfu

Viking

[tk471138]

Originally Posted by Igo kyu

Good luck with that, you'll need it.

So far it's mainly people being extradited TO the USA for breaking USAian laws while in their own country, but if you think your government can make that process one-way only AND get other governments to go along with that, you're not living in the real world.

news flash you fool the constitution applies to me (and the constitution of your country applies to you)...just cuz international law says one thing if it infringes on my constitutional rights its null and void...
its like if the UN tried to make a law that bans guns...it wont apply to me since the second amendment protects that right from ANY infringement...the UN and world governing bodies has NO authority over me or any one else who has dignity...and loves personal freedom...

in regard to that Rt video,

that is your military industrial complex that even president Eisenhower (a military man himself) warned us about...and it looks like his warning went unheeded by the majority of foolish americans who have no idea about what a free society is...

All those in that RT video are nothing but scum...i do not envy those corporations making their record profits through death and destruction, (the death and destruction of brown people) hopefully they come face to face with the devil when the american people finally wake up and dispatch those who have destroyed the republic...


then you have this mildly fat woman "im a pacifist and a realist..." no you are just a hypocrite...what a joke rofl all these americans sitting here..."we are there to help" my god...it shows perfectly how stupid the average american is (im american i see this crap on a daily basis) the world is laughing at us in this video...so sad...remember we kill your women and children we bomb wedding parties killing hundreds to take out one target, but remember we are here to help...WHAT A JOKE..

[Krt_Bong]

I really don't think NG can do a damn thing if TD was to include the contentious aircraft in a patch as long as there is no company name attached, and if they have something to say TD can basically tell them to Feck Off. At any rate the modders will make them and again NG cannot do anything to stop them it's art and it's free. If I want to stand on the street corner and hand out crude crayon drawings of a Grumman Plane with the name on the bottom and some representative of the company tries to stop me I can tell them the same thing and they wouldn't be able to do a damn thing, because they won't want the publicity and they know the general public and all the aviation lovers would crucify them in the media. It's the implied threat of lawsuit followed by an out of court settlement that they are depending on, since most small company's would fold when faced by a multi-billion dollar corporation because they think they can't win. Screw them, I'll take 2 P-61's with a side of Avenger please!

[csThor]

Quit your wishful thinking, Krt_Bong. There is a contract between 1C and NG in place which does prevent the official inclusion of any further NG-related objects without considerable cash input. And since TD is sanctioned by the developer we're under that official umbrella.

Let it go folks, that horse is dead and decayed. No chance of resuscitation.

[K_Freddie]

You can always place a MOD that's compatible with TDs stuff... you know.
Make the tail of the NG slightly different and they have no copyright case..

It's your IP.

[Fighterace]

Originally Posted by Krt_Bong

I really don't think NG can do a damn thing if TD was to include the contentious aircraft in a patch as long as there is no company name attached, and if they have something to say TD can basically tell them to Feck Off. At any rate the modders will make them and again NG cannot do anything to stop them it's art and it's free. If I want to stand on the street corner and hand out crude crayon drawings of a Grumman Plane with the name on the bottom and some representative of the company tries to stop me I can tell them the same thing and they wouldn't be able to do a damn thing, because they won't want the publicity and they know the general public and all the aviation lovers would crucify them in the media. It's the implied threat of lawsuit followed by an out of court settlement that they are depending on, since most small company's would fold when faced by a multi-billion dollar corporation because they think they can't win. Screw them, I'll take 2 P-61's with a side of Avenger please!

With a large F7F to wash it down with

[tk471138]

Originally Posted by csThor

Quit your wishful thinking, Krt_Bong. There is a contract between 1C and NG in place which does prevent the official inclusion of any further NG-related objects without considerable cash input. And since TD is sanctioned by the developer we're under that official umbrella.

Let it go folks, that horse is dead and decayed. No chance of resuscitation.

who cares governments always go back on contracts they sign...so why not 1c...at least in this case the 1c would have justification to break their contract and no one is hurt in any way as a result...i would really like to see that contract and to understand why the developers signed it...i dont know why any one would tie their hands like this....as some others have stated i dont think they knew exactly what they were getting into...and if the terms of the contract were misrepresented by NG or their lawyers then it is all but null and void, and their signatures on the contract are meaningless...