I'd like to join Team Daidalos.

[The_Stealth_Owl]

S! Guys!! Hi!

Here you are Oktoberfest, if there is anything you want changed now is the time. Template is a hybrid. From Jester, Bersk, Cat Slayer, Cpt. Farrel, and Owl.



Give me your email and I will send the skins as attachments.

S!

[BK_JG27_Treiber]

I intend my first post here to be memorable, and without further ado, I shall begin. Owl, nice work, and while you may never be part of TD, you could be an important guy around here nonetheless. You should know my email from Owlcraft, so send that sweet 110 skin my way.

AndyWest, I respectfully beg to differ with you about phillip, his reaction out in the open is just screaming for a flame war. If he had concerns, as a moderator he should have had the sense to express them in PMs with the mods here. As Owl's friend and a admin on his modding forum, I've seen him do some nice things. He can do them, and again, screaming about how he can't do anything in the open is yelling for a flame war. If your posting here is anything like what AAA is like, I'm glad I'm not a member there.

Originally Posted by Feathered_IV

From what I've seem of the Owl's past conduct, you'd have to be mad to put him in a position of trust.

And yet he's put me in one, as admin of his modding forum.

Lucas, maybe if you stopped trying to shove what's wrong in his face, you could get somewhere with helping him improve. And he's 14, not 13. Chocktaw, maybe everyone else are the ones acting up. Again, he's 14, not 13. He's got a lot of talent and he knows it. Nearmiss, bravo.

I was once on a forum, and there I was not unlike Owl, though more mature. I remember starting a 6 page flame war with my first topic suggesting a strategy that I later learned would not find any use. Sure, I made my feelings felt, but the main cause of trouble was that the majority of the forum was run by a bunch of @$$holes who were even worse than AAA. I got threatened with banning several times, got into numerous flame wars, got banned from a campaign because of an unintentional rule breaking at the suggestion of one of the @$$holes running the campaign, got at least 2 series of YouTube videos making fun of me, and my profile page spammed. I was 16 when it all started, and my career there ended early last year. I've matured a lot since then, but I'm not convinced that would make any difference there. So everyone, would you please put up with Owl, because he may very well be able to do the things he says he can.

[Rjel]

Originally Posted by JG52Driver

I intend my first post here to be memorable, and without further ado, I shall begin.

Presumptuous too.

Originally Posted by JG52Driver

So everyone, would you please put up with Owl, because he may very well be able to do the things he says he can.

Then perhaps he should just do it without all the drama everywhere he goes. The proof, as they say, is in the pudding.

[BK_JG27_Treiber]

Originally Posted by Rjel

Presumptuous too.

If separated from the the context of the post, then yes. Otherwise, not so.

Originally Posted by Rjel

Then perhaps he should just do it without all the drama everywhere he goes. The proof, as they say, is in the pudding.

The problem is, the great majority of the "drama" is stirred up by others. Owl is not always mature, I will admit, but he doesn't start the majority of trouble. It starts when he makes something and someone else feels the urge to misbehave.

[AndyJWest]

Can we just leave it here, guys? Owl has come up with a nice skin. Not all his own work, but he says so. He asks the guy it's for if it can be improved - he's open to criticism. He is probably pleased with himself for coming out with it so quickly, but why not? He's 14.

I think Owl is an asset now, though he is also a pain at times (I'm not going to show you the e-mails, but Owl, if you don't like it, don't go there), he also has lots of potential, unlike the burnt-out wrecks the rest of us are. I'd rather put up with his unjustified smugness than the complete indifference to anything that wasn't shown on TV in the last half hour that many of his generation seem to exhibit. Anyway, he gives us something to argue about until SoW:Bob finally appears....

[Rjel]

Originally Posted by JG52Driver

The problem is, the great majority of the "drama" is stirred up by others. Owl is not always mature, I will admit, but he doesn't start the majority of trouble. It starts when he makes something and someone else feels the urge to misbehave.

I've been around the IL2 community since the first demo was leaked, like a lot of people. Some of those same people have posted in this thread. I will say this about most of those people whose comments I've read on various forums, flew with online and have gotten to know personally and that is that the majority will cut most everyone some slack in their opinions, forgive past mistakes and pretty much go out of their way to help others learn this game.

It's good Owl and yourself have your own forum. With his budding self professed skills as a skinner and mod maker and you being a "Top grade Moderator for hire" you shouldn't have any issue carving your own niche in the IL2 world or be bothered by other forums opinions of yourselves.

[BK_JG27_Treiber]

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

Can we just leave it here, guys? Owl has come up with a nice skin. Not all his own work, but he says so. He asks the guy it's for if it can be improved - he's open to criticism. He is probably pleased with himself for coming out with it so quickly, but why not? He's 14.

I think Owl is an asset now, though he is also a pain at times (I'm not going to show you the e-mails, but Owl, if you don't like it, don't go there), he also has lots of potential, unlike the burnt-out wrecks the rest of us are. I'd rather put up with his unjustified smugness than the complete indifference to anything that wasn't shown on TV in the last half hour that many of his generation seem to exhibit. Anyway, he gives us something to argue about until SoW:Bob finally appears....

AndyJWest pretty much sums it up for me, except for the part about arguing until BoB:SOW. I'd rather not have that.

I've been around the IL2 community since the first demo was leaked, like a lot of people. Some of those same people have posted in this thread. I will say this about most of those people whose comments I've read on various forums, flew with online and have gotten to know personally and that is that the majority will cut most everyone some slack in their opinions, forgive past mistakes and pretty much go out of their way to help others learn this game.

It's good Owl and yourself have your own forum. With his budding self professed skills as a skinner and mod maker and you being a "Top grade Moderator for hire" you shouldn't have any issue carving your own niche in the IL2 world or be bothered by other forums opinions of yourselves.

Yes, the majority are quite nice. But there's an annoying minority that won't go away and who have made their presence felt here. You know who you are. As for my signature, I chose it because I'm a moderator at heart, and would moderate for a place if asked. All the glory and none of the responsibility is not the way I like it.

[AndyJWest]

Top grade Moderator for hire.

I'd rather have moderators selected from those who didn't actually want to do the job, but agreed because they were asked too. It is a thankless task, and not one with thin skins...

Back on topic. Owl has come up with the goods, or at least he hasn't had his work rejected out of hand - lets all keep him out of trouble by finding him another skin to do. Any requests?

[BK_JG27_Treiber]

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

I'd rather have moderators selected from those who didn't actually want to do the job, but agreed because they were asked too. It is a thankless task, and not one with thin skins...

Back on topic. Owl has come up with the goods, or at least he hasn't had his work rejected out of hand - lets all keep him out of trouble by finding him another skin to do. Any requests?

I adjusted my signature to better include my views of moderating. As far as I'm concerned, it's not a thankless task. Indeed, it's an enjoyable experience for me. Having such responsibility for the well being of a community is what I like. Requests for Owl... How about a Ferrari A-20G?

[Lucas_From_Hell]

Originally Posted by JG52Driver

Lucas, maybe if you stopped trying to shove what's wrong in his face, you could get somewhere with helping him improve. And he's 14, not 13.

Driver, will you stop defending him blindly without even thinking? It bugs the hell out of me. You always jump onto anyone not supporting him, and usually with personnal offences.

I've tried to help him countless times with his skins, with constructive criticism, not just bashing as you say everyone does.

Of course I will point out more things in his skin than I usually point out (when I do) with experienced skinners' work. That's only because his skins need more improvement than theirs.

Sometimes I get a bit irritated with him, true. But that's only after a childish comment by him. And even them, I don't just jump without a reason.

Driver, you're a good li... lawyer, sometimes. Defending the costumer to the last moment, that's nice

Just some stuff extracted from my posts at Owl's threads, to show you're just overreacting and defending him blindly:

Well Owl, look and learn. This rivets and lines thing can destroy a great skin. It's not a rule that they HAVE to be toned down, or HAVE to be fully visible. The rule is: it MUST look natural. But the question is: how to make them look natural? Well, as I'm also a bad skinner I wasn't supposed to know this one, but, funny thing, I do know the answer: EXPERIENCE.

Mate, I would first try to reduce the size of the red stars on the top.

Plus, that white edge at them doesn't look very nice. Check at Simmers Paint Shop for some files with markings ready for use.

Quite nice, although a bit too 'grainy' (can't find a better word for it), and panel lines are too strong for my taste.

Finally, the thing that bothers me the most: lack of any sort of signs of wear, in a somewhat dull skin.

Constructive, not just saying it's nice independent of what he does

This thread is a quick example of "a bit stressed" with him, plus RL stuff:

http://mission4today.com/index.php?n...ewtopic&t=7308

Sounds agressive? Hell yeah. But it isn't even close to what you say, and there is advice in there.

So please, let's stop joining "coalitions" when it comes to defending or bashing anyone. Fighting should happen on the frontlines, not on the forums.

About his new skin, I can't really judge because it only has one angle and not a very good one for judging. Looking good, but I would need to see more to say anything. Owl, would you bother to show us some profile angles and the belly of it?

(On the age bit, it doesn't matter. He acts like 10 sometimes, so being 13, 14 or 35 means nothing )