Friday 2010-02-05 Screenshots AND Discussion Thread

[fireflyerz]

Originally Posted by nearmiss

Whenever you post something like the screenshots for this thread it is like saying, "What do you think"?

Guaranteed...there will be plenty of people that will tell you what they think.

Thats the whole point of all this forum and these updates isn't it ?...... to gain feedback to get an idea of what the public on mass is going to make of the sim and to iron out as many inaccuracies as possible before release , we , the fanbase , are without question the best team for the job and we are free as well.

[nearmiss]

Originally Posted by fireflyerz

Thats the whole point of all this forum and these updates isn't it ?...... to gain feedback to get an idea of what the public on mass is going to make of the sim and to iron out as many inaccuracies as possible before release , we , the fanbase , are without question the best team for the job and we are free as well.

I'm cool with it, afterall Oleg did ask for critque.

[Blackdog_kt]

The RAF battledress shown in the period photos is 99% identical to the winter issue uniform i was wearing last year when serving as a flak gunner in the Greek air force
It was the "ceremonial" uniform, used mostly in special occasions like unit inspections, taking the serviceman's oath after basic training and when you're on leave or entering/exiting the camp, as you're allowed to wear it in public
(as opposed to fatigues and overalls which is a no-no to be seen walking around in them in public during peacetime).

Well, we were on the allied side and also had a few squads fighting under RAF command in N.Africa after the country was occupied, so i guess that explains the similarities. Even the various rank isnignia have a a big resemblance. So, what i'm curious about is, what was the original use of this battledress uniform back in the 40s? Did people actually fly and fight in it or was it mostly the "look pretty" type of uniform like it is in our airforce today?

[proton45]

Originally Posted by nearmiss

I'm cool with it, afterall Oleg did ask for critque.

+1, Rrrrrright you are sir!!!

[Skoshi Tiger]

double post sorry!

Cheers

[Skoshi Tiger]

I think you'll find that it is evolved from actual combat clothing. From the late 18th Century through World War 1 they were used throughout British Empire. There were minor changes to colars, cuffs, lapels and pockets but the basic design was used right up to modern times, though as you say it has become more cerimonial now. The basic pattern was used by many different nations, just altered to suit the style/culture of the nation in question.

The Jackets are tailored around the chest/torso so you don't catch or snag on anything and the waist flares to give your lower body freedom. When used in conjunction with the webbing it was designed to ensure lower body freedom.

(From an Aussie POV) Just like you told us, if you saw a digger landing on the beach of Gallipoli and a modern day staff officer in dress uniform, you would recognise it as the same uniform.

I think during WWII uniforms became more practical in that they were generally chosen (or modified) to suit the conditions that the soldiers were operating in or the task that they were performing. WWII changed warfare a lot, and traditions usually came out second best)

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

The RAF battledress shown in the period photos is 99% identical to the winter issue uniform i was wearing last year when serving as a flak gunner in the Greek air force
It was the "ceremonial" uniform, used mostly in special occasions like unit inspections, taking the serviceman's oath after basic training and when you're on leave or entering/exiting the camp, as you're allowed to wear it in public
(as opposed to fatigues and overalls which is a no-no to be seen walking around in them in public during peacetime).

Well, we were on the allied side and also had a few squads fighting under RAF command in N.Africa after the country was occupied, so i guess that explains the similarities. Even the various rank isnignia have a a big resemblance. So, what i'm curious about is, what was the original use of this battledress uniform back in the 40s? Did people actually fly and fight in it or was it mostly the "look pretty" type of uniform like it is in our airforce today?

Now this is a general question (I don't know the answer). Before someone told us that the country name was only used by the dominion forces when they went over seas. What did the RAF servicemen wear on their shoulders when they went to Russia?

Cheers

[Avimimus]

I have great sympathy for Oleg - out of all the countries to model to his high standards he chose England - and the English document and remember. Few details slipping past this crowd...

[nearmiss]

One thing that bothers me about the BOB SOW.

I still run the BOB II WOV every now and then.

It haunts heck outta my thinking.

The .303 guns on the British aircraft

The 109E isn't that bad at least it has a cannon.

I've got enormous respect for the RAF pilots.

The lack of firepower shakes my joints to think how tough it was to get a kill.

After all the firepower of IL2 I don't know what to expect.

Maybe my expectations are ill conceived.

I sure hope so.

The way it looks --> flying the Hurricane and Spit with pea shooters against cannons

[Romanator21]

It will be really hard, but .303s don't do structural damage. They poke holes through the skin, and if you're lucky you will puncture the radiator, oil coolers/reservoir, guns, controls, fuel lines, fuel tanks, start fires, hydraulics and electrical systems. The Bf-109s should slowly bleed to death.

WWII pilots never got the kills that we get online. That can be partially attributed to our invincibility and several years of experience.

Bf-109s have cannon, but very few rounds. They also have poor forward visibility, and relatively poor maneuveribility, short time over the battle-field, etc.

One mundane detail that may not have been so mundane is the control placement in the cockpit. For us, everything is mapped to a keyboard or is automatic. Having a fully functional pit would overwhelm 90% of the fliers here.

It's worth noting that the Bf-109 has automatic engine control, but were not totally fine tuned. The trim, throttle, landing gear/flaps controls are all on one side, the pilot won't have to move his hand off the stick. On the other side of the coin, the Spitfire and Hurricane have stick that bends above the pilot's knees. This makes unhindered roll capability. The 109 pilot has to jab his stick in his thigh. It can make a huge difference.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that in the end, it will be pretty close match. Don't worry about having machine guns in a Hurricane over cannons in a Bf-109.

[fireflyerz]

Originally Posted by nearmiss

I'm cool with it, afterall Oleg did ask for critque.

YUP... ditto , if all this helps Oleg build the finest ww2 flight combat sim of THIS decade ...ill say no more.
303... weak ,yes ,but eight of em , thats a hell of a lot of lead flying about on a liquid cooled engine like the Db, one hit would be enough to knock it out , not to mention the big fat L shaped fuel tank the pilot was sitting on.....

I dont come to this site very often , has Oleg given any hint as to how this game is going to Sound..?

Cheers
Jafa.