4.09 - Support & Bug Reporting - Page 8

cmirko · #71 10-05-2009, 01:36 PM

there is no problem with CRT=2 settings on server and client with different sounds dll's...

cheers

mkubani · #72 10-05-2009, 02:02 PM

Hello Zent,

Do you think I was sloppy when I used to fly with you in II/JG54?

We tested 4.09 for months. None of us and external testers had the problem with those dll files. It's more a hardware (sound card) related issue than a software one related to IL-2 or even 4.09. And out of many thousands people who have downloaded the patch, only very small % has this problem. So how were we supposed to catch this one? We can't test every HW out there. No game developer can. So how do you relate this to DT not being responsible or detail oriented? The dll fix is out there and it's simple one. So use it please.

I think you had received an informed answer from other DT members before. Just try to understand it.

Martin (used to be II/JG54_Jopo)

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Originally Posted by II/JG54_Zent

This is a probably a quite realistic and open answer but i think a very problematic one too.
It shows no real sense of responsibility for the game at either Daidalos team and/or Maddox team. As we all know the devil is in the details, if an important technical part of the game is not working properly in the new "standard" installation it is not a trivial thing, its a major bug and should be adressed by a responsible developer.
Either a game is supported correctly and then it is necessary to research and solve such issues in a responsible manner. Or it is not supported and then there should be nothing such as an official patch, then 4.09m should be regarded as a Daidalos Mod or such.
I am used to live with SNAFU regarding Il2 since the mods came out, but really SNAFU kills the fun... endless incompatibilities, empty servers because this or that special mod is needed, a general splitting up of the online community in specialied fan groups of this or that mod. I had some hope for 4.09m to establish a new basic ground for us, but that casual manner of treating severe bugs makes me feel sceptic about this.

As a technical side note: dll problems may not be the problem for ALL non game start problems, but at least in my case they are clearly the responsible files. The new 4.09m dlls are listed with 372 Kb each, dating from 05.06.2007.
The old beta 4.09 are 304 and 348 kb from 04.09.2006...

I would be happy about an INFORMED answer to what problems this might cause and whether it will be solved or not or if it is no problem, even on crt=2 servers and such to run the old dlls.

Anyway, thx for the effort which goes into developping all this stuff.. but dont get sloppy...it would spoil all the great work..

II/JG54_Zent

II/JG54_Zent · #73 10-05-2009, 02:25 PM

Hello Martin/Jopo,

as you can see in this forum there seem to be a few more people who have start problems, interestingly under many different systems and OS versions. I have a regular Creative Audigy Soundcard install with latest drivers and no issues -nothing exotic here..

I dont know whether you are sloppy or not from your past in II/JG54. You were a great and very intelligent pilot and a good helpfull comrade, but a bit unreliable in participation and communication with us, thats all i know and i think it has nothing to do with this issue.
But i understand that you say that you made a huge effort that this patch is good and as bugfree as possible and i am sure that is true and i know your great dedication to this game. Thank you a lot for this immense work from which we all profit !!

But if a patch is issued and dlls are included which have a known issue which is not adressed, no remark of it in the readme or anything... this is at least somehow not so clever, isnt it ? Imagine someone maybe not so familiar with Il2 as us who patches his game and then at startup...blupp.-.nothing... actually i was puzzled myself and a bit upset.... i didnt and couldnt know that there is a rather simple solution to it... its clear now that those dlls come from Maddox and its their responsibility that this bug was never adressed. But Daidalos knowingly integrated them in the patch without any remark about those problems.
So change your readme and maybe integrate the old dlls as alternative in the patch and nobody can say anything about sloppyness...hey... and dont let a little provocation get under your skin dude.. you are too good for that..

yours,
Zent

Brain32 · #74 10-05-2009, 02:42 PM

The dll issue is nothing new and has been present in v409 too, IIRC it was related with older AthlonXP processors meaning ONLY owners of old AXP CPU's had such a problem.

Also if we want to talk problems here, a 50$ blockbuster game; "Call Of Duty MW" had the same(similar) issue and one had to mess around with it alone as nobody on official places knew wtf were we talking about...so I would say this is pretty much making a big deal out of nothing really....

Billy885 · #75 10-05-2009, 05:25 PM

Zent,

I am glad Zent that you think the creative drivers are good one. I found out differently with my Creative sound card and went to "kX project" drivers and had no more problems with my creative sound card.

Dash 8 · #76 10-05-2009, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by kennel

I am having the same trouble as Ritchie confused comms running a Kurland DGEN campaign, ask ground control for heading & u only get the subtitles & in the next message he talks to u.

I too have the issue with the speech being cut off or not spoken at all on the radio. I had this with the 4.09beta too, so I've stayed with 4.08 all this time.

Everything installed as instructed: 4.07 off the disc, 408m patch, then the new 4.09m. I've had no other issues other than speech being cut off or missing completely, just like the beta had.

Using an Audigy 2 sound card if that helps.

csThor · #77 10-05-2009, 06:37 PM

Did you perhaps try the older versions of mg_snd.dll and mg_snd_sse.dll? Perhaps the new ones cause this as well? Mission4today.com has an older set under DOWNLOADS - PATCHES - DLL PATCHES ... Backup your current ones, copy these into the Il-2 root folder and see if the problem is cured.

andrea78 · #78 10-05-2009, 06:55 PM

The problem (in my config) is not dlls, but files.SFS: mantaining the old one (from dvd), the game starts, while with the newer it crash just after loading.

ps: with old files.SFS, the game starts with older/newer dlls

csThor · #79 10-05-2009, 06:57 PM

WTF? That's a new one for me ...

Dash 8 · #80 10-05-2009, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by csThor

Did you perhaps try the older versions of mg_snd.dll and mg_snd_sse.dll? Perhaps the new ones cause this as well? Mission4today.com has an older set under DOWNLOADS - PATCHES - DLL PATCHES ... Backup your current ones, copy these into the Il-2 root folder and see if the problem is cured.

I did as you suggested and got the older sound.dll's from Mission4today and IT WORKED! No more cut off and missing speech in the radio transmissions. I tested it in 2 different missions in 2 different Dgen Campaigns and no issues with the radio.

So I guess these older dll's fix a loading error for some people (which I didn't have), but also fix the speech cut off/missing error that I had. Thanks for the idea; I didn't think to try it since I had no trouble starting the sim.