The Battle of Britain Was The First Defeat For The German Luftwaffe.

[DD_crash]

Doesnt this argument/contradiction issue remind anyone else of

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKhEw7nD9C4&feature=fvsr

[Triggaaar]

Originally Posted by DD_crash

Doesnt this argument/contradiction issue remind anyone else of

Perfect. Another draw.

[kendo65]

Originally Posted by adonys

ok, let's make a short analogy here, maybe our islander friends will get it better this way:

if a tiger is fighting a cat, and at some point the tiger has to go away because he has to pee, that doesn't mean the cat won the fight.. right?!!

But go ahead, call it a THE GREATEST VICTORY EVER for my part.

Truth is.. brits always need their big thug nephews help to get our from the mess they've got themselves into (think any other WWII brit operations). Kind of like the italians

But they were great warriors, and look, they won BoB.. Of course they did, otherwise.. what else would have they to celebrate?!! The almighty colonial british empire? Battle of France? Dunkerque? Singapore? Dutch Indies? North Afrika? Market Garden?!!

Using another analogy, is like trying to get away from him the only rotten bone a skinny dog ever had.. of course he'll jump to bite you for trying to get his only reason for life away from him.

It's a normal denial behavior as we know it from kindergarten psychology.

Adonys, that post is more than a little insulting. You obviously have some issues with the British for whatever reason, but as the length of your ignore list continues to grow it is obvious that you also have issues with lots of people. Maybe you'd be kind enough to add my name to your list as well.

Cheers.

[MB_Avro_UK]

Gentlemen,

There seems to be great jubilation here from several posters at the 'evacuation' of the British Army at Dunkirk in May 1940.

Facts:

The British comprised only 10% of the allies at that time. It was not the whole British Army. It was the British Expeditionary Force (BEF).

The RAF in France comprised only 10% of the Allied Air Force.

And yes,the German army was superior to both the French and British. The German soldiers were ex-Hitler Youth and the products of a fanatical dictatorship. And had the experience of combat in Spain and Poland.

Does anyone here know about the murder of 250 rear guard British soldiers by the Waffen SS in May 1940? They ran out of ammunition and surrendered. The next day,the Waffen SS murdered all apart from 3 who managed to escape.

This puts the Battle of Britain into context.


And an important context.


Best Regards,
MB_Avro.

[JG52Krupi]

Originally Posted by adonys

ok, let's make a short analogy here, maybe our islander friends will get it better this way:

if a tiger is fighting a cat, and at some point the tiger has to go away because he has to pee, that doesn't mean the cat won the fight.. right?!!

But go ahead, call it a THE GREATEST VICTORY EVER for my part.

Truth is.. brits always need their big thug nephews help to get our from the mess they've got themselves into (think any other WWII brit operations). Kind of like the italians

But they were great warriors, and look, they won BoB.. Of course they did, otherwise.. what else would have they to celebrate?!! The almighty colonial british empire? Battle of France? Dunkerque? Singapore? Dutch Indies? North Afrika? Market Garden?!!

Using another analogy, is like trying to get away from him the only rotten bone a skinny dog ever had.. of course he'll jump to bite you for trying to get his only reason for life away from him.

It's a normal denial behavior as we know it from kindergarten psychology.

WOW Just WOW what an ass...

I'm so happy to be on this ignorant tools ignore list, what a load of rubbish.

The USA doesn't exactly have a gleaming trophy, how many disastrous, pointless conflicts have they dragged the UK (there only supporter in some cases) into since WW2.

If any country/government is in denial IMHO its actually america (yes and UK too) and its ignorance of the effort and effect the Russians had in WW2.

[Al Schlageter]

Don't forget about helping the Germans as well.

[ATAG_Dutch]

Originally Posted by cheesehawk

I don't know if America is exactly in denial, but our powers that be definitely put a spin on how we won the war. We fought in proxy, giving the Brits their 100 octane, which has already been proven to have defeated Germany by itself on these very forums (sarcasm off now). That and the other goodies through lend-lease that enabled Britain and Russia to continue the war in our stead, so we could come in at the end and get our share of the plunder (mostly just reinforcing the superiority of capitalism). America was a de facto participant in the war since early 1940, and if the Japanese didn't attack Pearl Harbor, who knows how much longer our boys would have stayed here before finally rolling up our sleeves to get involved in blood instead of just sweat.

Now that is something I have to take issue with (And i think I'm right in assuming that your irony tongue is well and firmly in your cheek!). I reckon America would've become involved at some stage anyway.

The role of America is all too often underplayed by the British, including members of my own family. I don't consider December 1941 to be the 'end' of the war, nor do I espouse the view that 'we won the war with the help of America and Russia', which in fairness is all too prevalent in some.

There are ordinary people in Britain who realise that but for the economic and industrial power of America, and the quite unbelievable resilience of the Russian people and their armies, Britain would have been hard put to continue the war in any form, which of course is why the UK ended the war in debt to America to the extent that rationing only totally ceased in 1958.

It also bankrupted the Empire, and I'm convinced that Churchill knew this when he said 'no matter what the cost, or the agonies may be', with which statement he made clear that he was willing to sacrifice that which he and the majority of the British populace held most dear.

I suppose that it's this level of sacrifice, to rid the world of a 'monstrous tyranny never surpassed in the dark and lamentable catalogue of human crime' that makes us Brits so adamant.

We bloody won the Battle though. So there.

[Al Schlageter]

Destroyers? Those wouldn't be those clapped out 4 stackers would it. If it is, they were bought.

GM (Opel) as well.

Expenditure by the US for the lend-lease program totaled about $48,000,000,000.

70% went to Great Britain and 25% to USSR.

The US received $6,000,000,000 in reverse lend-lease, mostly from the British Commonwealth.

[adonys]

you guys are right, I'm sorry, the tone I've used wasn't proper, and I'm sorry for that, I've got carried away

yet.. those are facts, battles the english had lost. and I don't have anything against them, I've even lived in London for a year and a half, and maybe I'll live even more in the future. there's no shame in losing, as long as you fought with all you strength and gave your best.

also, let's not forget this is a game, and we all are united in here by the same thing we have in common: passion for WWII flight sims.

sons can not be blamed of the sins of their fathers and history is history, and can not be changed. we can just learn it true, to avoid doing the same mistakes again in the future.

[Triggaaar]

Originally Posted by adonys

there's no shame in losing, as long as you fought with all you strength and gave your best.

No indeed. And it wasn't our fight anyway.

sons can not be blamed of the sins of their fathers and history is history, and can not be changed. we can just learn it true, to avoid doing the same mistakes again in the future.

Agreed again, although given the arguements here I guess we're not learning it truethfully.

yet.. those are facts, battles the english had lost.

Which battles are you talking about?