The real IL2 focus group (Everyone come in here)

[haitch40]

stop pestering Anton just be grateful for the game if you want a real flying experience buy a microlite for about £3000 or even better get a replica made for u (this will cost alot)

[Soviet Ace]

My uncle here in the US owns a small glider company, and those are fun to fly around for a good two or more hours (even eight on a REALLY good day).

[xNikex]

Originally Posted by jt_medina

Only one thing. Post this thread on lets say SIMHQ IL2 forums and tell them that blackouts will not be included. SIMHQ has a very well known and busy forum with thousands of visitors every day. There you could have a better sample of what people would really think.

To me as a first day IL2 fan, the lack of this feature is dumbing down the product and it is unbelievable base it on focus group. But at the same time I still think that BOP is gonna be a leap forward in console simulation.

Well like Anton said, this wouldn't truely simulate human reactions to those conditions. In real life, you could pass out from extended lack of blood flow to the brain(meaning you can't pull g's forever), you would not be able to move your head freely around the cockpit, etc.

The bright side is that you have to remember that there still is 'head sway' when moving the plane around in cockpit view.

Like I said earlier, if the publisher was trying to get rid of simulation mode and flight stick support, be THANKFUL that Anton only has to get rid of black/red outs.

[versapak]

I definitely like having them, as it does add something to the gameplay, but I can understand their exclusion, and it certainly will have no bearing on my purchase of this game or not.

[jt_medina]

Originally Posted by xNikex

if the publisher was trying to get rid of simulation mode and flight stick support, be THANKFUL that Anton only has to get rid of black/red outs.

This is the saddest part of the story. They are dumbing BOP down because they are scared of losing buyers. I think this is the first simulator ever that doesn´t include blackouts in simulation mode.

Originally Posted by P-51

Your all scared its not going to be IL-2 Sturmovik anymore! Well newsflash its not going to be, its IL-2 Sturmovik:Birds of prey a new game! And as Anton said the redouts/blackouts are in the game, there just turned off!


Post this thread on lets say SIMHQ IL2 forums and tell them that blackouts will not be included. SIMHQ has a very well known and busy forum with thousands of visitors every day. There you could have a better sample of what people would really think. I think you forgot that they are simulation nuts therefore a biased Group of people!
Chris

I think you are now being biased too...
Read and learn.
http://www.simhq.com/_air12/air_408a.html
http://www.simhq.com/_air12/air_403a.html
http://www.simhq.com/_air9/air_287a.html

[Tomo]

Gee there are some real psycho's on this forum.

Anton i would suggest you stop wasting time responding to them.

[Tomo]

Originally Posted by jt_medina

This is the saddest part of the story. They are dumbing BOP down because they are scared of losing buyers.

Riiiiight, because obviously is preferable to sell 100 copies to 100 obsessive ubernerds than 1,000,000 copies to the general gaming public.

[OntheCrab]

Some people still can't see what's staring them in the face.

Flight simulators are NOT SEXY anymore. The audience needs to be rebuilt through the console market, because that's where the gaming world is at.

Boo-hoo, a couple concessions have been made. Those noobs some peeps have been harping about are what stands between this game's success or failure financially.

Now this fact has clearly been the toughest job facing Gaijin; they want to please everybody and are doing their best; they're also trying to build something with this game: a new community of pilots.

If BoP becomes flight's console answer to Gran Turismo we can all rejoice and nitpick the shit out of a sequel - but right now dollars are on the line and its about an unseen niche on consoles trying to find an identity with the FPS set.

I hope to hell it works out, and what we're all buying in September oughta be the best flight game an Xbox or PS owner could ever hope for.

Anyway,....... hey Tomo wanna grab a beer?
Some people in here are scaring me too.

[versapak]

Originally Posted by Tomo

Riiiiight, because obviously is preferable to sell 100 copies to 100 obsessive ubernerds than 1,000,000 copies to the general gaming public.

Seriously.


I am just happy to get this much on the console. I stopped trying to keep up with PC upgrading years ago, and this is one genre I have missed.

Hopefully this title will pave the way to even more sim titles making it to consoles, though I wouldn't hold my breath.

Look at car racing. Despite the strides GT and Forza have made in bringing sim to consoles, the truest racing sims are still very much PC titles, and I am sure that will stay the case for any other form of sim.

As much as I am sure they love the games they make... In the end they have to actually sell them, and consoles are an area, where in order to sell, you have to strike a balance. If all you want is full on sim, then the PC will be there waiting for you.




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[jt_medina]

Originally Posted by Tomo

Gee there are some real psycho's on this forum.

I have just called the moderator for your post. I am not gonna tolerate your insults just because I have a different opinion with all of you.
I have never insulted anyone, I just said what I think is my sense on this topic, if you disagree with what I said, ok different points of view are great to find a solution. But never ever insult me that way.

But don´t worry This is the last time I complain about something.