Why so little interaction with the community?

[bongodriver]

in other words we paid for a game so Luthier is 'our' monkey now and if we want him to jump through hoops he better damn well do it.......or something like that

[Osprey]

Originally Posted by Mysticpuma

Honestly B6 if that's the best that can be done it's just opening this thread up to the harbingers of doom. Sadly I believe I have become one

You offered us after (MANY) months the chance to actual actually get answers to the many issues that have been raised. The community again was sparked into life! At-last, a chance to get some actual, proper input from the devs.

What do we get! No answers, too many questions!

Seriously?

The only issue is that this whole fiasco of disrespect for those who really love the IL2 series who again were lured into thinking that we we important to the devs, feel again that we have been lined up for a practical joke!

I can see Luthier rolling on the floor laughing "haha, they actually believed I was going to listen! Too funny! Put the questions in the bin, I have to finish my next practical joke and see who falls for that!"

The only reason the disrespect and disillusionment has swept this forum is from the totallack of interest and apathy apparent from 1c regarding those who actually care to post issues or bugs that need fixing only to hear that the bug tracking isn't even read!

But post your questions regarding the real issues and bugs and Luthier will ignore those too!

If anyone at 1c had bothered to visit these forums, react to the vast input that has ben made, the community wouldn't have had to ask so many questions (that he can't be bothered to answer). They could have been answered over the last 18 months in something called a Friday update?

The total lack of disrespect and apathy on the part of 1C is something I don't believe I have encountered in years of visiting forums.

The main issue now is trust. We are told (wel guess!) that BoM is the next greatest Sim, but why the hell do you expect us to believe that, when 1C can't even be trusted to answer genuine questions regarding software on which people have already spent money?

I don't know if 1C can gain the respect back, once bitten, twice shy!

I can only say as others have, we are all busy, we all have jobs or other things that encroach on our time, but we care bout this product which is why we offer inputand suggestions for making it better.

It's a shame that 1C don't appear to have the same passion for their product as we do and that can only mean they are not interested in anything but the money they get.

If Luthier makes an effort in his busy day to spend just 20 minutes on a Friday (even at home!) like we have done daily for many months then it would be a start, but what makes us think that he will be bothered after his last foray into the forum?

The only issue that has made negativity rage through these threads is the the lack of input after Luthier apparently showed he was interested in the community. The lack of answers has reinforced what many believed, that we'll only be of interest again when he has some more dodgy software to offer from the back of a car!

He needs to answer the questions that we took time to ask to at least start gaining some respect and credibility if he wants us to believe in his commitment to us and our future investment in software he claims is fit for release!

Answers to questions please that were asked and we'll go from there.

Disillusioned, MP

Totally mate. I've dipped my toe back into 1946 again and it's most refreshing, plus we have responsive devs who care about quality (TD and HSFX team).

[esmiol]

maybe not like that

but i think that giving a word a least every two weeks is the minimum.

and sincerely.?.. if the work of luthier and his team on CLOD was not so bad....we don't want to have news so regulary...

it is not with a word in the forum every six month that this team will gain the trust of their community.

well who knows miracle may happen..... maybe we'll have an friday's update before the end of this year.....

[Baron]

So Luthier doesnt have time to answer 200 questions (like its 200 different questions, more like 20 in total) fine, that's understandable. The problem however, is that he/whomever decided to skip answering any questions what so ever instead.

Makes perfect sense to me.


I used to be a avid "fanboi" if you will, but now the entire way this is handled pi**es me of to the extreme. Its not because its CloD or IL2 or whatever, a similar situation in real life would have had the exact same affect on me, but 10 times sooner.

[SlipBall]

Originally Posted by Osprey

Totally mate. I've dipped my toe back into 1946 again and it's most refreshing, plus we have responsive devs who care about quality (TD and HSFX team).

Don't you find that sim just a bit to easy?

[Baron]

Originally Posted by SlipBall

Don't you find that sim just a bit to easy?

Well, after 5-10 years practice it would be odd if it wasn't.


The easiest ac in old IL2, i would say, is the P-47, by far.

[fruitbat]

Originally Posted by SlipBall

Don't you find that sim just a bit to easy?

have you flown it much since 4.11?

huge step forward imo, and the AI is leaps and bounds ahead of CloD's.

I meant to post this earlier....it is silly to scape-goat Luthier or make him the poster-boy...he is just one bit of the whole (messed-up) jigsaw. But equally, it helps to have a single source for complaint/praise....so in that sense he functions as a lightning rod. Anyone with a modicum of commonsense can separate legitimate grievance from personal baiting though. If they can't, then best remove yourself from being accountable entirely.

A personal witch-hunt isn't (or shouldn't be) on the cards.
Equally, it isn't the fault of the critics that the thing is in such a mess. That praise should be heaped wholly on the dev house/publishers. It's much too easy to blame the whole sorry state of affairs on Luthier, and equally, if it should ever turn around, he shouldn't be entitled to all the praise. The whole Messiah-Oleg thing was faintly ridiculous, and embarrassing for all concerned, no doubt. In any case, Luthier has a functioning shield in Blacksix.

But all this personality guff is off the mark and draws attention away from just what an over-all screw-up this game is/was/continues to be.

It doesn't matter who gives some basic answers, provided they are given, don't leap-frog what is asked, and it appear in the same century as the questions hopefully. That still hasn't happened, which is ludicrous. It's not about a sense of entitlement, it's only a bunch of 20 or so questions, once boiled down.

All the personality guff just allows the usual suspects to make it about a supposed witch-hunt, and once again derail perfectly legitimate questioning.

It would be nice if Luthier or someone senior answered, but really we don't care if it is a purple chocolate frog. It's the gesture that counts.

[bongodriver]

We've all seen what happens when a gesture is made here........just not worth the effort.

[csThor]

Not to be holier than the Pope, but how could Luthier not expect a tidal wave of questions? How could anyone, seriously, expect 5 - 10 question given the state of the game and the less than exact information available on what the future will bring?

If luthier really didn't expect this amount of curiosity within the community then maybe it's time for him to stick his nose into reality once again. Could be carthatic, I've been told.